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In Arizona

* Accidental deaths in Arizona for children, 2000-2003

* Drowning: 140

* Gunshot wound: 15

Source: Arizona Child Fatality Review Program

1 posted on 06/12/2005 8:01:00 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

So, let's outlaw and control the 'Pool' industry. Perhaps federal registration? We can build huge fences around all lakes, streams and rivers.

Or, we have expect parents to watch their kids and not expect the TV to be a babysitter.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 8:04:05 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; Da Jerdge; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; freekitty; ...
So what next? Are they going to ban swimming pools in the backyard? Based on the left's gun grab logic of "it's only for child safety" they would.
3 posted on 06/12/2005 8:05:01 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Gay sex.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 8:06:12 AM PDT by johnny7 ('Mama T' has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'... close up.)
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We know what the Liberal knee jerk solution to all this is don't we? Ban everything, swadle everyone in a protectiv layer of foam, keep them under obsevation 24 hours a day in a rond with padding on the floor and walls, funished with padded, rounded funature, and feed them 3 times a day with big brother aproved meals.
we all know that we are incapable of taking care of ourselves, we need a collective group of liberals to take our earnings and make all decisions for us.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 8:08:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Most dangerous: parents who don't supervise their kids around pools or teach their kids gun safety (and to avoid guns altogether without adult supervision).


7 posted on 06/12/2005 8:12:18 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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Don't move! I have a pool in my pocket and I'm not afraid to use it.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 8:14:36 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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But the "intention" of swimming pools is benign, while the "intention" of guns is to kill people and no one needs a weapon, blah, blah, blah. To the left, all that matters is "good intentions" (no matter if the results are good or bad) and what the leftists, in their infinite wisdom, believe the common citizens "need." If the leftists' "good intentions" result in disaster for the peasants, it does not matter as long as the power of the state against the citizens is increased.


9 posted on 06/12/2005 8:22:55 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell
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Cut to libs with fingers in ears going, "lalalalalalalalalalala..."


10 posted on 06/12/2005 8:26:15 AM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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Don't know how they're defining children, but from CDC data for 2002, we have:

For "children" age 0-19:

Unintentional Injuries (selected line items)
Motor Vehicle Traffic: 7670
Drownings: 1158
Unintentional Firearms Deaths: 167

Homocides by Firearm: 1830

Over 1500 of the firearm homocide deaths are in the 15-19 age range, so you're starting to get into the gangbangers here, is my take.

Here's the source for that:
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html


11 posted on 06/12/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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I couldn't even finish this lame article.

Have a pool. Had a baby. Never took eye off baby for a second. Taught baby to swim. Baby is now 10, still swimming. End of story.


13 posted on 06/12/2005 8:32:08 AM PDT by poobear
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I grew up on the water- literally, it was at the front door- and I can't recall a time when I could not swim... my parents had a theory of "making me safe around the water" rather than trying to scare me away from it.

Likewise, when I was big enough to hold a gun, I learned how to shoot- and how dangerous firearms could be. Again, their theory was to "Make me safe around weapons, rather than trying to make the weapons safe around me."

The whole area we live in is surrounded by water- not just the ocean, there are miles of salt marsh and swamps, rivers, creeks, and borrow pits-- and yet, a season never passes where someone falls in the water and drowns, and the first thing you hear is "old so-and-so was so scared of drowning he never learned to swim..."

15 posted on 06/12/2005 8:35:16 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Abortionists are the #1 killer of children in this country.


19 posted on 06/12/2005 8:44:47 AM PDT by Chewbacca (My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and thats the way I like it!)
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Well the only solution would seem to be some "common sense pool control laws" be enacted ASAP - say about 22,000 of them. No, excuse me 44,000 since at least twice as many children are accidentally killed by pools than guns, it's only fair.

We can start by mandatory licensing of ALL pool owners and making them go through gubmint background checks. All pool owners will have to carry their "Pool Owner ID Card" with them at all times when near a pool. And said ID will have to presented when purchasing anything pool related, like say.. water wings. Naturally a database will have to be kept of all pool owners so any irresponsible multiple offenders, or probable offenders, can be found and jailed PQD.

And naturally anyone ever charged with child or spousal abuse, had a DUI, a ticket for reckless driving, sought counseling of any type, ever seen a shrink for any reason, especially depression - will be banned for life from owning a pool or anything pool related.

Furthermore, it's only logical that any licensed pool owner be limited to how many pool related items they may purchase at once. If we follow some gun laws, one a month is 'fair'. Otherwise they might be buying a floating lounge chair for an UNLICENCED person, we can't have that! NO STRAW POOL PURCHASES - period.

But this presents a conundrum - why or how can we 'only' stop at pools?. These dangerous people can as easily do their mischief with a bath tub or a bucket. Those will have to be confiscated too - for public safety.

And please, don't even mention diving boards or slides. Those 'assault weapons of mass death' will be burned in the public square at noon next Saturday. After all, it's for the children.

20 posted on 06/12/2005 8:45:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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Actually the point of the article is to remind people that real everyday life is more dangerous than the off chance of your kid finding a gun. I had some friends who got into the habit of always bringing up the subject of putting in a pool. They kept asking why my husbnad and I didn't install one. Finally my husband said he wasn't interested in coming home and finding one of the neighbor's kids floating dead in the water. Besides you can only use the darn thing for 3 or months out of the year anyway.

I don't know if any pool maker has been sued but people have been sued and have lost for not having fences around their pools.


21 posted on 06/12/2005 8:45:14 AM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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So what? I've been down this road in my arguments with the gun nazis and they don't care. Their argument is that pools (or whatever hazard you want to mention and BTW falling down stairs and loose rugs cause as many injuries as guns) have 'redeeming social values' while guns don't.


22 posted on 06/12/2005 8:46:28 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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Kids are 16 times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in the house...
Kids are 16 times more likely to drown in a pool if you have a pool at your house...
Kids are 16 times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a pool at your house...

No, wait a minute...


24 posted on 06/12/2005 8:53:32 AM PDT by cowtowney
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"Living with a swimming pool in your back yard is like living next to the Grand Canyon," said Dr. Bob Berg, a pediatric intensive specialist at University Medical Center and a UA professor. "You should never feel comfortable there."

WHAT A COMPLETE GOOBER

I'll take the house by the grand canyon please and Dr Berg can go live in fear of his kitchen knives L0L

35 posted on 06/12/2005 9:45:26 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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We need to close the swimming hole loop hole. ("Pool hole"?)


40 posted on 06/12/2005 10:41:53 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Outlaw Di-hydrogen oxide!


47 posted on 06/12/2005 1:01:01 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
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Actually Di Hydrogen Monoxide is the biggest killer in the world.

It should be outlawed.

48 posted on 06/12/2005 1:09:15 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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