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Republican lawmakers urge shift in Iraq plans
Reuters ^ | 06/12/05 | Vicki Allen

Posted on 06/12/2005 10:42:33 PM PDT by Pikamax

Republican lawmakers urge shift in Iraq plans Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:58 PM ET

By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Republican congressman called for a deadline to pull U.S. troops from Iraq, while some other members of President Bush's party urged on Sunday that his administration come to grips with a persistent insurgency and revamp Iraq policy.

Rep. Walter Jones, a North Carolina conservative, said on ABC's "This Week" that he would offer legislation this week setting a timetable for the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

"I voted for the resolution to commit the troops, and I feel that we've done about as much as we can do," said Jones, who coined the phrase "freedom fries" to lash out at the French for opposing the Iraq invasion.

Other Republicans on television talk shows joined Democrats in criticizing the administration for playing down the insurgency, while overestimating the ability of Iraq's fledgling forces to fight without U.S. soldiers in the lead and failing to plan for the post-invasion occupation.

"The insurgency is alive and well. We underestimated the viability of the insurgency," Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said on CBS' Face the Nation. He said the administration has "been slow to adjust when it comes to troop strength and supporting our troops."

Graham said the Army is contending with a serious shortfall in recruiting "because this war is going sour in terms of word of mouth from parents and grandparents." He said "if we don't adjust, public opinion is going to keep slipping away."

Jones, a member of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, said "primarily the neoconservatives" in the administration were to blame for flawed war planning.

"The reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it was never there," he said.

Jones joins some of Congress' most liberal Democrats in demanding a deadline to withdraw troops from a conflict they said has been too costly in U.S. lives and money.

According to a new Gallup Poll, nearly six in 10 Americans say the United States should withdraw some or all of its troops from Iraq, up from 49 percent who held that view in February, USA Today reported in its Monday edition.

The Bush administration contends that setting a withdrawal date would fuel an insurgency that Vice President Dick Cheney recently said was in "the last throes."

Graham opposed setting a date. "If the insurgents drive us out ... we've lost a big battle in the war on terror," he said.

Jones said he was pushing the legislation because his "heart aches" at the nearly 1,700 U.S. soldiers killed and 12,000 seriously wounded in Iraq. He said Iraqis should defend themselves once their forces are trained.

Rep. Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican who just returned from Iraq, joined several Democrats saying the administration must be more candid and acknowledge that it could take about two years to train Iraqi forces to replace U.S. soldiers and allow a significant pullout.

"We can't come back to America and have our people being convinced that the Iraqi troops are prepared to take over, when they're not," he said on NBC's Meet the Press.

Weldon also said the administration must "come to grips" with a rising insurgency, boosted by fighters from Syria and Iran, "which for some reason our intelligence community does not want to acknowledge or deal with."

Weldon said he heard "a common theme" in Iraq that the largest number of foreign insurgents may be coming from Syria, but that "Iran overwhelmingly has the quality behind the insurgency."

Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, said on CNN's Late Edition, that "many of us warned this administration before we ever put a boot on the ground" that it would face a long-term conflict. "We didn't have plans for it. And we are now where we are," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iraq; walterjones

1 posted on 06/12/2005 10:42:34 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Congressmen are such whiners.

Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and assess the overall situation. If we need to do anything, what we need to do is widen the war and take out Iran and Syria.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 10:58:38 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: Pikamax
"Lawmakers" in Washington are like Weather Veins, the change their direction with the prevailing political winds.

Why doesn't these media maggots ask our Military leaders their opinions if we need to retreat, or back off, on the plan known as "Victory"

The only thing these "Lawmakers" are primarily concerned with is being reelected to their cushy position of being pampered by every Lobbyist on Capital Hill, and this is the direct result of "Popular Polling" or what I prefer to call "Push Polling" conducted by the same NEWS organizations who are bombarding the average American with their front page stories that focus only on what, they consider, will further their left wing agenda.

Lets see here..... The Washington Post publishes articles that trash George W. Bush and the Iraq War 24/7 and then they conduct what they call an "Unbiased Poll" of their subscribers who claim the Nation is heading in the wrong direction, the support of the war in Iraq is diminishing, and George W. Bush's popularity is tanking...... Well! no Shi'ite Sherlock. When you control what is digested by your readers, it's easy to get the desired "Poll" results that support your agenda

3 posted on 06/12/2005 11:02:22 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: Pikamax

Their needs to be change in Iraq, bring in the B52's and show whos boss. Bush keeps giving the same "were staying the course..." speeches and the insurgents keep killing are troops. I say show them whos boss, should have happened the first time an american was beheaded.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 11:04:33 PM PDT by OregonRepublican (Jesus Loves you Allah wants you dead! Liberalism is a mental Disorder- Savage)
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To: OregonRepublican

And bomb whom with those B-52's?

This is an insurgency. They go on for a while. There's little we can do to change that, save counter it and wait it out. They're not winning over the Iraqi people.

Now, we should go into Iran and Syria as necessary.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 11:08:34 PM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: furquhart

The terrorist campaign in Iraq can only succeed if the Sunnis back it. The problem is not infiltration from Syria and Iran. Without Sunni support they would be quickly rounded up.

The answer is to bring Kurdish and Shiite trained forces into the Sunni triangle (which is now taking place), provide US fire power(tanks/choppers/etc) and basically give the minority Sunnis population an ultimatum - stop supporting the bad guys and join the government or we'll let the Shiites and Kurds do whatever the hell they want and back them all the way. Being out numbered 4 to 1, with limited military options - car bombs and IEDs - they would not last very long.

As for Weldon, I think he's being snookered by this Ali source into getting us to go into Iran. He has no training in vetting informants, double agents or anyone else for that matter.


6 posted on 06/12/2005 11:18:10 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: Pikamax

Oh Great.
Now we have GOP sidewalk superintendents too?
Our troops and the guys running the show have no need for "help" from the legions of slack-jawed droolers in the back of the line.
The timeline we'll be watching is how short a time it will be before he's flippin' burgers again.
Send this guy to the Kerry campaign HQ.
Thank him for his loyalty to his Commander-in-Chief.


7 posted on 06/12/2005 11:19:21 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: Pikamax
The outstanding success of Operation Lightning proves the Congressmen and the MSM wrong about the Iraqi Army. The Defense minister says the operation is the model for the rest of the country. The insurgents aren't going to replace 1,000 Baghdad operatives very easily -if at all.

The Iraqis have a unique way of dealing with captured insurgents, particularly the foreigners; when they're done extracting information from them they take them out to the desert and shoot them.

8 posted on 06/12/2005 11:23:36 PM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Pikamax
Rep. Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican who just returned from Iraq, joined several Democrats saying the administration must be more candid and acknowledge that it could take about two years to train Iraqi forces to replace U.S. soldiers and allow a significant pullout.

Open your ears .. He has said it would take time

Good Grief .. was Congress this bad after WWII ???

9 posted on 06/12/2005 11:27:28 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats = The Socialist Party)
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To: DHerion

A sizeable portion of Sunnis, if not a majority support the TNA and the government building process. They're just slower at coming around; which is understandable considering their former status under Saddam. They're starting to look towards the future; perhaps they now realize that without much oil in central Iraq a national government is all they can hope for.


10 posted on 06/12/2005 11:28:04 PM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Pikamax

Lindsay and Hagel...the usual suspects.


11 posted on 06/12/2005 11:30:42 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Pikamax
Rep. Walter Jones, a North Carolina conservative...

Conservative, my *ss.

RINOs are a threat to the national security of the United States, just like their liberal brethren in the Democratic Party. They are the last protective ring around socialism in this country.

The sooner conservatives realize it, the sooner we can solve the problem.

12 posted on 06/12/2005 11:31:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Income Tax is the death grip of the socialists.)
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To: what's up

Reuters.

*spit*


13 posted on 06/12/2005 11:32:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Income Tax is the death grip of the socialists.)
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To: Pikamax
The insurgency will persist as long as our dumb f*** congressmen give them reason to think we don't have the determination to defeat them. Congress can't do anything right at all other than line their scum bag pockets. The idea of them deciding war strategy is frightening.
14 posted on 06/12/2005 11:32:58 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Pikamax

Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican

Hagel is a total sellout to the Republican party. This guy actually has aspirations for POTUS but every time he opens his mouth he puts more distance between those hopes.


, said on CNN's Late Edition, that "many of us warned this administration before we ever put a boot on the ground" that it would face a long-term conflict. "We didn't have plans for it. And we are now where we are," he said.

I'll do it better if you just give me the Presidency. What a bag of hot air.


15 posted on 06/12/2005 11:34:46 PM PDT by conshack ((Illegal immigration is the #1 threat to Homeland Security))
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To: what's up
Lindsay and Hagel...the usual suspects.

And yet the media continues to act like they speak for ALL of the Republicans in congress

16 posted on 06/12/2005 11:38:02 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats = The Socialist Party)
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To: Pikamax

What the good Sen. Lindsey Graham fails to understand is that the enemies of Iraqis are our enemies too. We aren't fighting for them. We are fighting OUR war. Where does he think the terrorists want to control? Baghdad...Kandahar? Yes. But they will enter the US and attack DC...Seattle...Chicago...LA just as they are able. And we are enabling them.


17 posted on 06/12/2005 11:38:33 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: Pikamax

Weldon also said the administration must "come to grips" with a rising insurgency, boosted by fighters from Syria and Iran, "which for some reason our intelligence community does not want to acknowledge or deal with."


I hate to agre with a Dimocrat, but this guy is right. The border should have been sealed of immediately after we went into Iraq. We has done little to keep these so-called insurgents from coming across. Recently, we have taken some steps to control the access, but I don't think it has been enough. ALL traffic should be stopped until things stabilize


18 posted on 06/12/2005 11:40:04 PM PDT by conshack ((Illegal immigration is the #1 threat to Homeland Security))
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To: conshack
I hate to agre with a Dimocrat,

Don't beat yourself up about agreeing with a Dem. Weldon's a Republican.

19 posted on 06/12/2005 11:42:05 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Justa
I agree.

I don't think it's fair to completely criticize politicians. At the end of the day they are responding to concerns of their constituents.

But when they start asking for withdrawal timetables they come across as bratty kids in the back seat of the family station wagon on a long trip. I would hate to be stuck in a lifeboat with any of them.
20 posted on 06/12/2005 11:42:12 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: what's up

Don't beat yourself up about agreeing with a Dem. Weldon's a Republican.


I realizes that right after I posted it. If these congress-critters knew anything about sealing borders, we'd be able to keep insurgents from getting into Iraq AND the USA. Read my tagline. I am so afraid that our open borders will result in an attack that will dwarf the casualties of 9/11. All because these same folks won't take a stance.


21 posted on 06/12/2005 11:49:06 PM PDT by conshack ((Illegal immigration is the #1 threat to Homeland Security))
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To: conshack

It's not all that likely that the terrorists will use the US-Mexican border, as opposed to any of a hundred other points of entry.

Now, aliens do get across the border - but a huge percentage of them are caught and turned back at some point. It's not a sure-fire way. And if you're planning something big, and you've got money, why take a chance?

Physically sealing that border against terrorists would be hard, if not downright impossible. That's why we need to fight them and keep them tied down overseas.


22 posted on 06/13/2005 12:58:39 AM PDT by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: furquhart

Physically sealing that border against terrorists would be hard, if not downright impossible. That's why we need to fight them and keep them tied down overseas.


We need to fight terrorism on BOTH fronts.
The BP admits that they only catch one of every 5 or so illegals crossing, so the odds are pretty good on the side of entry. The coyotes have got it down to a science.
I am behind the administration 100% on our war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but am grossly dissapointed in their efforts on illegal immigration.
For the record, I am a retired military and Vietnam vet. I have been in/worked for the military for 35 years now. That does not make me an expert in our WOT, but I can assure you we aren't doing ourselves any favor by exposing our borders like we do.


23 posted on 06/13/2005 1:09:15 AM PDT by conshack ((Illegal immigration is the #1 threat to Homeland Security))
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To: Pikamax

Bases Recommended for closing...
North Carolina
Navy Reserve Center, Asheville
Niven U.S. Army Reserve Center, Albermarle


24 posted on 06/13/2005 1:43:02 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Mo1

"Good Grief .. was Congress this bad after WWII ???"

No, because congress and the population unanimously agreed the war was necessary, which is not the case now.


25 posted on 06/13/2005 1:57:45 AM PDT by Mikse
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To: furquhart

"what we need to do is widen the war and take out Iran and Syria"

With what Army? We keep massively missing recruiting targets and its not going to get any better. Moms and Dads don't want their kids to serve their country these days. Selfish.


26 posted on 06/13/2005 1:59:39 AM PDT by Mikse
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To: Pikamax

where are you going to get the troops?


27 posted on 06/13/2005 2:28:52 AM PDT by alternate
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To: MJY1288

I too hate how politicains don't care about anything but money and getting re-elected to keep that juicy power. But as for the media goons talking to our Military leaders, I found this here. It's an interview with Tim Colins the same Colonel who gave a very good going to war speech that, like it says in the artilce and I've seen elsewhere, Bush hanged up on a wall.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Questions-for-Tim-Collins/2005/06/12/1118514914282.html?oneclick=true


28 posted on 06/13/2005 2:35:40 AM PDT by alternate
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To: Pikamax
Rep. Walter Jones, a North Carolina conservative, said on ABC's "This Week" that he would offer legislation this week setting a timetable for the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

That's like telling the burglar when you're going on vacation.

29 posted on 06/13/2005 3:03:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: alternate
Go back to DU
30 posted on 06/13/2005 3:43:59 AM PDT by MJY1288 ( By Comparison...."Dingy" Harry Reid makes Tom Daschle look like a Statesman)
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To: MJY1288

not sure what DU is but no thanks.


31 posted on 06/13/2005 3:54:42 AM PDT by alternate
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To: furquhart
Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and assess the overall situation. If we need to do anything, what we need to do is widen the war and take out Iran and Syria.

Amen.

32 posted on 06/13/2005 4:28:43 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: DHerion

LifeBoat?
How 'bout icefishing?


33 posted on 06/13/2005 6:13:23 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: alternate; Mikse; Pikamax; furquhart

There sure is a lot of chest thumping bravado and denial on this thread.

Invade Syria and Iran ? With what troops ?

The insurgency will is in its death throes after Operation Lightning. The insurgency will die down after the election. The insurgency will die down after we pacify Fallujah. The insurgency will die down after we capture Saddam Hussein.

The American people have had enough.


34 posted on 06/13/2005 6:20:03 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham

This war biz just does'nt want to settle for tidy answers Sam. Guess it's not like an episode on TV. Seems like many people want predictable outcomes. "Mission Accomplished" was interpreteted as "Died and Gone to Heaven" by some folks.
Wait till you hear from the "Home for Christmas" crowd...they're warming up next door.


35 posted on 06/13/2005 9:38:54 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: Sam the Sham; All

Kinda like the troops was suppose to be home for Christmas??


36 posted on 06/13/2005 9:43:18 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: CBart95

Noone expects tidy answers. Just a coherent plan based on realistic goals.

We don't have the manpower to pacify the Sunni Triangle or prevent civil war. And the American people are not going to lose 5 men a day for the next decade trying.


37 posted on 06/13/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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