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Teach Your Children Well - Will they believe America is worth defending?…
theOneRepublic Journal ^ | 6/13/05 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 06/13/2005 8:36:03 AM PDT by ParsifalCA

What do our students understand about the war we’re in and how we are fighting it? With all the condemnations from political groups, the media and the Blame America First crowd, what do our young adults believe about our nation? That question is second only to the question of what we have to do to win the war, and not only because our young adults are called on to fight it. This war will outlast our generation and eventually it will be they who have to reckon with our enemies and decide our course. We – and they -- are awash in a flood of news that usually fails to distinguish fact from opinion and elevates the importance of the Michael Jackson trial above that of Syrian missile tests. Less jaded than we, young adults are more susceptible of being influenced by the constant barrage of reports of prisoner abuses at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and in Afghanistan. It is only a very few of them – and, truthfully, too few of us – who pay attention to the endless investigations that show again and again that though some abuses do happen, both their frequency and their seriousness is horrifically exaggerated.

Will those now in high school and college believe America is worth defending if all they hear is that our soldiers torture prisoners, that our people flush the Koran down the toilet just for fun? How will they learn the nature of the terrorists and the nations that support them, their ideology and their goals? Who is going to make them think about what their lives – or their deaths -- will be like if we lose?... [more]

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blameamerica; gitmo; jedbabbin; prisoners; terror; war

1 posted on 06/13/2005 8:36:04 AM PDT by ParsifalCA
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To: ParsifalCA
Teach Your Children Well - Will they believe America is worth defending?…

At some point, America will not be worth defending. I wonder when that day will come.

2 posted on 06/13/2005 8:54:57 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: ParsifalCA

I'm believing less and less that it is worth defending. We aren't the America we started out to be.


3 posted on 06/13/2005 8:55:32 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: ParsifalCA

Freedom is worth fighting for ~ Bump!

Be Ever Vigilant!


4 posted on 06/13/2005 8:56:07 AM PDT by blackie
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

America will always be worth defending. It's just that more and more of the people here aren't.


5 posted on 06/13/2005 8:59:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: ParsifalCA

I was teaching in a public high school a few years ago, and it happened to be Pearl Harbor Day. I told the class how my father and all his friends from school went to the recruiting office the next day to sign up (they told him to come back when he was 18). The students reacted with amazement: "What did he do that for?" I told them, "You kids are the guinea pigs in a unique social experiment. For the first time in history, the immense resources of the state--in this case, the school system, teachers and administrators, textbooks, building, etc.--are being used to convince a whole generation that the state is not worthy of being defended from its enemies. One out of 30 later confessed that she really had to think about that. It does make you wonder if certain people in this country really want it to survive.


6 posted on 06/13/2005 9:03:09 AM PDT by Numidian Horse (Numidian Horse)
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To: Alberta's Child

>>America will always be worth defending. It's just that more and more of the people here aren't.<<

Well said. It may come to a point when this kind of scenario plays out, when it no longer becomes possible to defend America against the criminal/suicidal stupidity and depravity that is flooding the nation, and a Stand has to be made, whether geographical in nature, or otherwise.


7 posted on 06/13/2005 9:07:47 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: newgeezer
That day is here.

The USSC killed the Second Amendment with the Commerce clause.

8 posted on 06/13/2005 9:11:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: newgeezer

At some point, America will not be worth defending. I wonder when that day will come.







Don't ever say that. America will always be the greatest country on this planet. Just because there is a progressive movement to remove everything decent out of our society doesn't mean that America will no longer be worthy of defending. We still have freedoms here that we can enjoy that elsewhere others would be persecuted for it. I love this country, and we HAVE to continue to teach our children that it's a wonderful country and that FREEDOM IS NEVER FREE...otherwise, if we give in, we will lose everything our forefathers fought for and brave men and women are fighting for now.


9 posted on 06/13/2005 9:14:21 AM PDT by FeeinTennessee (Visit me @ peoplepolitical.org & therant.us --Fee)
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To: ParsifalCA

I believe that the average American is very much willing to fight and defend his country. However, it is important that he knows that the country supports him in his efforts.

The reason that recruitment has been down recently is that the young men and women, contemplating volunteering to join the armed forces, notice how little real support our armed forces get from the populace (e.g. Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, etc.) and from their leaders including their commander in chief.

An especially galling example is that our troops are warned to be cautious in returning fire when it originates from a mosque. Compare this how we were willing to destroy numerous churches in Europe during WWII.

Our political leaders seem to be afraid of a vigorous pursuit of the war against muslim terrorism because they understand that we are not only fighting Islamic fundamentalism but all one billion Muslims throughout the world.

Many potential recruits are hesitant to join the armed forces when they see that they are expected to fight overseas while the backdoor to the country (our borders) is kept wide open for terrorists to enter. Are we planning to totally defeat the enemy or are we merely buying time?

Ever since the bomb on Nagasaki we have fought wars with one hand tied behind our backs and have often tried to appease the enemy. This is not conducive to a high morale of the average fighting man.

To put it in the vernacular; either $hit or get off the pot.


10 posted on 06/13/2005 9:16:50 AM PDT by auburntiger (Liberalism is Evil disguised as Virtue.)
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To: newgeezer
"At some point, America will not be worth defending. I wonder when that day will come."

You would not say that if you were in a conquered country such as Korea under the Japanese. The conquerors take over the media, the schools, the religions, and the banks. Usually the intelligent class is just murdered. Women are more than abused....they are made into breeders for the conquerors. The history of the conquered nation is re-written by the conqueror. It will not be something to wish for.

11 posted on 06/13/2005 9:28:10 AM PDT by NetValue (No enemy has inflicted as much damage on America as liberals.)
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To: guitfiddlist

It's important to keep a historical perspective on this, too. During the period of time after the American Revolution and before the establishment of the U.S. Constitution, supporters of the war made a practice of chasing their neighbors who had supported the British (the Tories) off their lands, burning their homes to the ground, etc. Nobody likes to admit it, but this kind of "cleansing" process is probably vital to the long-term viability of a free nation.


12 posted on 06/13/2005 9:30:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: ParsifalCA

If your enemy is willing to die for his belief that he should kill you, and you are not willing to die defending yourself, your family, or your nation....all is lost already. Just raise your hands now.


13 posted on 06/13/2005 9:31:10 AM PDT by NetValue (No enemy has inflicted as much damage on America as liberals.)
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To: Alberta's Child

"America will always be worth defending. It's just that more and more of the people here aren't."

Bingo.

Who wants to defend laws that are selectively applied to legal immigrants and citizens, while others get a pass?

We need to get back to the notion that American Citizenship has value and is, (if in no other place)defended in our own country, or like it or not, it will not be defended as a whole.


14 posted on 06/13/2005 9:37:02 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: FeeinTennessee
America will always be the greatest country on this planet.

Obviously, I hope you're right. But, being the "greatest country on this planet" at any given time does not necessarily mean it's worth defending. If the entire world is mired in outright socialism (and worse), I can't see getting too enthused about defending the greatest socialist country on this planet.

15 posted on 06/13/2005 9:37:49 AM PDT by newgeezer (I'm a native American. Aren't you?)
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To: ParsifalCA

bump


16 posted on 06/13/2005 9:38:35 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: NetValue

The day is coming. It's simply a matter of when. Nothing lasts forever.


17 posted on 06/13/2005 9:39:12 AM PDT by newgeezer (Pessimists are often right—and are delighted to be proved wrong. -- Geo. F. Will)
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To: Dead Corpse
That day is here.

It's approaching more quickly than many or most of us are willing to admit.

18 posted on 06/13/2005 9:41:24 AM PDT by newgeezer (Pessimists are often right—and are delighted to be proved wrong. -- Geo. F. Will)
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To: ParsifalCA
"What do our students understand about the war we’re in and how we are fighting it?"

...that wars are all the fault of "males," as their divorced/separated moms, their moms' romantic, feminized boyfriends, teachers and media say.
19 posted on 06/13/2005 10:11:05 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: newgeezer

Is America's future worth defending? Ask a Mexican, that is all that will be here.


20 posted on 06/13/2005 11:32:02 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: newgeezer
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Time to do it again...

21 posted on 06/13/2005 11:48:07 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: ParsifalCA

The president doesn't think the country is worth defending.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422038/posts


22 posted on 06/13/2005 12:38:13 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I guess Bin Laden is just Emanuel Goldstein after all.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Time to do it again...

We could only hope to do better than the last time it was attempted (1861-1865).

23 posted on 06/13/2005 1:14:24 PM PDT by newgeezer (Pessimists are often right—and are delighted to be proved wrong. -- Geo. F. Will)
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To: newgeezer
Probably not. But then again, the British were considered the best in their time. In CW1, the South was outnumbered 2:1, or worse, and still managed to kill as many Yankee's as the Yankee's killed Confederates.

This time, we need to make passing unConstitutional laws, or deciding a court case against the express language of the Constitution, a hanging offense.

24 posted on 06/13/2005 1:46:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Alberta's Child
supporters of the war made a practice of chasing their neighbors who had supported the British (the Tories) off their lands, burning their homes to the ground, etc.

Humm.

25 posted on 06/13/2005 1:52:52 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: All

Why not? If 5 million Jews will fight over a piece of desert why not our children?
Was America worth defending in 1941?
I see a lot of "the end is near crud here"but you were not around in the 30's.
Anyway,I am 78 and served my country as did my children and now my grand children.


26 posted on 06/13/2005 1:53:17 PM PDT by hubno (hub)
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To: hubno

The ideal of America is still worth fighting for. What most of us are saying is that the country we are now living in resembles that ideal very little.


27 posted on 06/13/2005 2:01:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: FeeinTennessee
America will always be the greatest country on this planet.

Keep telling yourself that. A lot of citizens in empires from history believed that too. See if you can find any Romans and ask them how that went...

28 posted on 06/13/2005 2:02:41 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: ParsifalCA

Yes America is still worth defending but sadly there will be a time in the not so distant future when the majority of those citizens who are of age to serve in defense of this nation will not think it worthy . There will also bee a very large & very vocal segment of this nations citizenry that will actively work & scheme to do harm to it in as public a fashion as they can. You can see the starting of this in the move-on.org folks who are running the DNC & on the college campuses with the tenured communist hold outs from the 60's & the apologists for the kamikaze jihadi's. Make your plans & preparations accordingly folks it's gonna be a very exciting ride.


29 posted on 06/13/2005 3:35:12 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner; All

Love the tagline.

For those on this thread who waver in self-doubt, remember... the eyes of the MSM look upon reactions like yours with gr$$d because they think to sell more copies showing an America in self-doubt, and because that's their playbook from the Vietnam War. It follows therefore, that not only the MSM loves to see you look like you're losing your nerve... our enemies abroad are emboldened with each and every sign of an American losing faith.

Now, if the above isn't enough to get your Irish up, then I don't know what else to say.

CGVet58
standing ready to fulfill my oath to protect the Constitution 'till the day our Good Lord issues me my final PCS orders.


30 posted on 06/13/2005 5:29:37 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Alberta's Child

You have a very odd definition of freedom. Free to flee your burning property doesn't rise to the level of liberty in my book, but your mileage obviously varies.


31 posted on 06/13/2005 5:38:51 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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