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I voted "Expanded" as I'd personally like to see it encompass organizations that can demonstrably be proven as engaging in seditious and/or harmful behaviour to the country. Freedom of the press and speech is one thing, but if it fans the flames of our enemies and/or results in harm to our troops or civilians, some form of penalty should ensue. Like yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre. IMHO
1 posted on 06/13/2005 10:21:02 AM PDT by DTogo
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I'm torn b/t renewing it as is or reducing some of the items. I'm all for keeping America safe, but not at the cost of limiting our freedoms. And like someone mentioned above, I'm worried about what HRC would do as president.


48 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:33 AM PDT by crispy78
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I wonder how many selfish people wouldn't mind changing their opinion on having the patriot act implemented if it were to save them on 9/11/01 standing on the top floors of the WTC as the planes hit and they had to decide to jump off the building hitting the pavement at 200 MPH?
49 posted on 06/13/2005 10:55:46 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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Me too!


50 posted on 06/13/2005 10:56:21 AM PDT by zerosix
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I'm sure that Gary Hart and Andrew Young do have a sequel to their Patriot Act. President Rodham may have Attorney General Obama modernize the list of terrorist organizations though.


52 posted on 06/13/2005 10:56:49 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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I voted 'dropped' because the Patriot Act is a legacy of the Clinton presidency and tramples underfoot our Bill of Rights.


56 posted on 06/13/2005 10:58:41 AM PDT by PresbyRev (There is no god named Allah and Mohammed was a false prophet.)
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Freedom of the press is surely overrated, and nobody should be able to speak their minds... -dtogo


58 posted on 06/13/2005 10:59:18 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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I said eliminate it. We already have far too much government intrusion in our life.

Some will say "If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about." Imagine Hillary becoming presindent and deciding what is right & wrong. It basically chews up the Constitution, Bill of Rights etc. and spits it out into a government issued ID card.


67 posted on 06/13/2005 11:10:16 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America...)
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Unless the feds can figure out how to cover the basics like protecting our borders and profiling middle eastern males they can sh!tcan the whole thing.


72 posted on 06/13/2005 11:16:46 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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Expanded but still with a need to vote on it every year to keep it going.

I still believe President Bush screwed this whole thing up when on Sept11, he did not, Declare War on Syria, Iran and Iraq,( Since they were the top three countries that the State Department had on their terrorist sponsoring list.) declare Martial Law and put US on total WW2 style war footing including draft, give Damascus Tehran and Bagdad 96 hours to evacuate then Nuke one, ..... and oh yeah -CONTROL OUR BORDER IN A TIME OF WAR.

And when Syria and Iran and Iraq had unconditionally surrendered, established new governments that included freedom of Religion - or been utterly destroyed, then we could have lifted Martial Law.

No need for Patriot this or that, I or II.


75 posted on 06/13/2005 11:18:59 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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What rights have been given up? Most provisions brought terrorism suspects on par with suspected mobsters. Has RICO been abused? Yes. Does that mean we should let terrorists elude police by chancing phones? No.

A lot of the criticism of this Act deliberately leaves out the role of the court in verifying there is good cause to track a suspect. That court has also been abused in the past but the suspected violations occured prior to John Ashcroft's arrival. Could a Hillary administration abuse this? Sure. Without sufficient Congressional oversight they can abduct Cuban boys, incinerate Texas ranchers, sic the IRS on political enemies. We can't give the terrorists an even break just because Her Thighness might get in.

78 posted on 06/13/2005 11:22:56 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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"The Patriot Act Should be..."

Over 55% of "conservatives" agree: big government is good (as long as the GOP is in control), and true "patriots" will gladly exchange liberty for perceived safety.


84 posted on 06/13/2005 11:27:12 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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Dropped...

Not the original design of Fed. Govt....


92 posted on 06/13/2005 11:30:12 AM PDT by dakine
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Make it permanent. We are in a war that will probably never ever end. I hope we can prevent another mass murder 911 attack. Not arrest suicide bombers after an act is carried out. I disagree with the arguments that this act would be dangerous with another Clinton administration. That sounds like DU conspiracy talk to me. As long as presidents are limited to 4-year terms I don't see presidents as all powerful and above the law.


116 posted on 06/13/2005 11:51:55 AM PDT by faq
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Patriot Act needs to have some fine tuning done, and then be made a permanent part of Federal Law.

However, there is no chance in hell that anyone is going to support major expansions or permanent status of the Patriot Act that affects Citizens, as long as illegal aliens control the entire I-5 corridor, clear up to Seattle...


122 posted on 06/13/2005 11:56:44 AM PDT by Bean Counter
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Extended, with common sense adjustments. Keeping in mind that misuse and abuse of these powers will occur in the wrong hands.


132 posted on 06/13/2005 12:08:51 PM PDT by skr (May God bless those in harm's way and confound those who would do the harming)
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I would like the Patriot Act to sunset again in about 5-10 years. I do NOT support making it permanent.


135 posted on 06/13/2005 12:09:49 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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Dump the Patriot Act and just enforce the borders. Allow the FBI to "profile" possible terror suspects. Hmmm, that's odd...they're all young, male, Middle-eastern descent, and Muslim. Could it be a profile?


138 posted on 06/13/2005 12:14:37 PM PDT by gregwest
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I voted to "Drop"

I don't trust ANY of these people with this broad power and it won't stand up to the Constitution.

What more needs to be said?

150 posted on 06/13/2005 12:24:39 PM PDT by USMC79to83
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Repealed before they use it on all of us.

Here's what they plan for our futures.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422038/posts


159 posted on 06/13/2005 12:32:57 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I guess Bin Laden is just Emanuel Goldstein after all.)
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It should be reason enough to hang for treason everyone who signed it.


182 posted on 06/13/2005 3:17:29 PM PDT by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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