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I don't see where we're giving up any rights with the P.A. to begin with, unless it were abused, which would be the same with any law/act.

You don't "see"...?

Are you freaking blind, or what?

I posted the definition of habeus corpus. Under that rule, a court cannot hold a person without defining his crimes, and charging him. That RIGHT has been suspended.

I posted the fourth amendment. Under that RIGHT, a warrant must be issued to investigate an ALLEGED crime (you know that old "not guilty until proven" thing), IF THERE IS REASONABLE SUSPICION, and only then will a warrant be issued.

I posted the fifth amendment. Under that right, a person has the right not to incriminate himself. Click it or ticket is not part of the alleged WOT, but is just another straw, weighing on the back of liberty. The statement "if you have nothing to hide" holds no water, when every LEO is willing to trick you and cajole you into making an error, even when you have done nothing. LE, today, is about tax collection, and who's got the best doughtnuts. Look at most of the LEO's now. They come in two sizes and shapes (other than those few foolish little girls that want to play with the big boys, in the name of "PC". One size, and shape, is fat, and barely able to guard a court bathroom. The other size and shape always wants to wear black, and tuck their BDU's into their Jack Boots... and drive down the highway, in the left lane, speeding, to lunch with the fellow boys in blue/black/ninja suits.

I posted the sixth amendment. under that RIGHT, a person is guaranteed a speedy trial. Tell that to the people sitting without warrants, in cells, without lawyers, without charges,without communication.

Oh, that's right, we don't know if there are any. But, the PA allows for it... and I would make you a friendly wager... Ever heard about Siberia?

I would personally take out an "enemy combatant" with any means available. I do not think they have any rights. They are soldiers without a uniform.

But, as soon as my government takes control of anyone, they should be obligated to follow their own mandates.

Instead, they flush them... for freedom?

Yeah, I feel the freedom...

Your papers, please...

The statement "if you have nothing to hide" holds no water, when every LEO is willing to trick you and cajole you into making an error, even when you have done nothing. LE, today, is about tax collection, and who's got the best doughtnuts. Look at most of the LEO's now. They come in two sizes and shapes (other than those few foolish little girls that want to play with the big boys, in the name of "PC". One size, and shape, is fat, and barely able to guard a court bathroom. The other size and shape always wants to wear black, and tuck their BDU's into their Jack Boots... and drive down the highway, in the left lane, speeding, to lunch with the fellow boys in blue/black/ninja suits.

They're supposed to be protecting us and making us feel safe, right? Funny, I just tend to fear them whenever I see them, and before someone chimes in with the predictable "then you must have something to hide" line--I have nothing to hide. It seems that cops have decided they have something to find, though.

With few exceptions, like being in a bad part of town at night, I fear the cops more than I do the criminals.