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To: Jeff Head

"MOst of the so called non-military industries are run by communist leaders or their children or relatives. The people benifiting from the economic growth are NOT the large majority of the Chinese people...I have been there with US firms and have seen it. The vast majority still live mostly in squalor. There is an effort by the leadership to get them into the cities, but that is so they can take better, more efficient avantage of their cheap labor."

You can argue that most of the people in the US aren't rich either. It depends on if you adjust for cost of livining standards.

Is this the image of a communist state?
http://mishuna.image.pbase.com/u36/raindog73/upload/23688670.shanghainight.jpg

China is an authoritarian state, Communist in name only. There are still a few "old guards" around, such as the hated Li Peng, but he has no real power now. You can say they're a dictatorship but to describe them as Communist in the traditional sense is simply incorrect.

As far as the expansionistic nature - I think this has more to do with what happened to China in the 1800's than what you'd like to believe. China was raped and pillaged by first, the Brits and French, then every other nation in Europe, then Russia, then Japan. I think most Chinese realized that closed door policy doesn't work and is going for a carrot + stick diplomacy from now on.


67 posted on 06/15/2005 11:24:11 AM PDT by pganini
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To: pganini
Although they have adjusted their economic model,and that is something I have stated over and over again...their ideology is still marxist in nature and they themselves, the ruling party and individuals, call themselves Communists.

When you have abject socialism in a marxist model on the domestic policy front (ie. personal freedoms), when you have a totalitarian government enforcing those policies-along with their new fascist economic model, when you have a government heirarchy that calls itself communistic, still preaching and teaching...and cotrolling the nation along those lines...and they do...then I would call it communist. You can call it whatever you want.

The bottom line is that the Red Chinese are a totalitarian government that is bent on abject control of their population, and hegonomy in the region. They are headed for (and preparing for) conflict with the only major power that can interfere with that, and that is US.

68 posted on 06/15/2005 11:51:12 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: pganini
Is this the image of a communist state?


Forbidden

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Forbidden!!!!! Yep.

71 posted on 06/15/2005 12:10:16 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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