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Specter Calls Gitmo System a 'Crazy Quilt'
AP ^ | 6/15/05 | Liz Sidoti

Posted on 06/15/2005 2:31:11 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

The Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee challenged Congress Wednesday to help define legal rights of terrorism detainees at Guantanamo Bay, bemoaning a "crazy quilt" system. Pentagon and law-enforcement officials defended current practices at the U.S. military prison camp.

"It may be that it's too hot to handle for Congress, may be that it's too complex to handle for Congress, or it may be that Congress wants to sit back as we customarily do," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said as his panel took testimony on practices and policies at the U.S. military camp at an American Navy base in Cuba.

"But at any rate, Congress hasn't acted," Specter said.

The hearing came against a backdrop of growing reports of U.S. abuse of terror-war prisoners at the camp.

Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the senior Democrat on the committee, called the prison "an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and remains a festering threat to our security."

Military and Justice Department witnesses claimed that extraordinary steps were being taken to protect unspecified rights of prisoners and to process their cases.

Rear Admiral James M. McGarrah, who monitors the "enemy combatant" detention program for the Navy, told the panel that of the 558 detainees given hearings at Guantanamo, Cuba, 520 were "properly classified" as enemy combatants.

Of the remaining 38, he said, 23 have been released so far.

"Because of the highly unusual nature of the global war on terror, and because we do not want to detain any person longer than as necessary, we've taken this unprecedented and historic action to establish this process to permit enemy combatants to be heard while conflict is ongoing," McGarrah said.

Michael Wiggins, deputy associate attorney general, told the committee that each Guantanamo detainee was given a formal hearing in front of a review panel to ensure they were all properly classified as enemy combatants.

But he acknowledged that the detainees were not being held "for criminal justice purposes, and is not part of our nation's criminal justice system."

Their detention "serves the vital military objectives of preventing captured combatants from rejoining the conflict and gathering intelligence to further the overall war effort, and to prevent additional attacks against our country," Wiggins said.

Specter said the "Congress has its work cut out for it" as it studies the procedures used with detainees being held indefinitely at Guantanamo outside the scope of the U.S. judicial system.

"I think any fair analysis would say that we have a crazy quilt which we are dealing with here," said Specter, citing disappointment with his own past attempts at legislation to more clearly define rights and procedures for enemy-combatant detainees .

President Bush last week appeared to leave open the possibility that the prison would be closed, but Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday he thought the prison would be needed for years to come. Rumsfeld said the military has no other facility that could accommodate that many prisoners.

On Wednesday, White House press secretary Scott McClellan appeared to try to tamp down talk of shutting down Guantanamo, saying that Rumsfeld was "talking for the administration" with his comments.

"There are no plans, as we have said, for closing or shutting down Guantanamo Bay at this time," McClellan said. "But we're always looking about how best to keep America safe and how to deal with these detainees."

Air Force Brig. Gen. Thomas L. Hemingway told the panel, "America is at war. It is not a metaphorical war. It is as tangible as the blood, the rubble that littered the streets of Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001."

Of the detainees, "We are holding them humanely," Hemingway said.

Asked how long they could be held, Hemingway said: "I think we can hold them as long as the conflict endures."

Leahy questioned the administration's assertion that the prison camp was an essential part of the U.S.-led war on terror. "All of us know this war will not end in our lifetime," Leahy said.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy said the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo stained the nation's reputation on human rights, inflamed the Muslim world and had become "a powerful recruiting tool for terrorists."

"Closing Guantanamo makes sense," Kennedy said.


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Leahy, "an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals and remains a festering threat to our security".
1 posted on 06/15/2005 2:31:11 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Notice how AP conveniently does not post the comments (outrageous and despicable) made by Dicky Durbin.


2 posted on 06/15/2005 2:32:57 PM PDT by Laverne
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Nation calls Spector a "crazy dolt"


3 posted on 06/15/2005 2:33:26 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If it were a "Magic Bullet," the mad Scotsman would be in love with it!


4 posted on 06/15/2005 2:33:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

There will be another attack on U.S. soil. I wonder how fast these morons will be running for cover and/or screaming that Bush should have done more to protect us?


5 posted on 06/15/2005 2:34:43 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Alan Spectacle, here's how we can go about shutting gitmo down.

These enemy combatants were taken prisoner in civilian clothes. By the rules of war they are spies and can be dealt with as such.

Drain them of all useful information on the ground, in theater, in Afghanistan or Iraq, using our allies and their legal methods within their own countries. Then hang the lot of them.

Those currently in Gitmo can be processed back to their country of origin to be handled per the above procedure.

6 posted on 06/15/2005 2:35:59 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
These were enemy combatants caught trying to kill Americans in the field.
They are lucky to still have their life, but to suggest their release or trial in an American court would be ridiculous.

I think Afghanistan and Iraq should have trials for any of these people they wish in absentia, and if they want us to extradite them for an execution, we should do it.
7 posted on 06/15/2005 2:36:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jeff Head

"Crazy" is NOT a word Arlen should be throwing around.


8 posted on 06/15/2005 2:37:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

hehehe...you got that right.


9 posted on 06/15/2005 2:37:41 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If the RNC doesn't make all of this a campaign issue next year and beyond, they're idiots.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 2:38:10 PM PDT by travlnmn41
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To: A CA Guy
More precisely these were non-uniformed mercenaries.
11 posted on 06/15/2005 2:39:24 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Who needs Al Qaeda when we have the United States Senate?"


12 posted on 06/15/2005 2:41:54 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: massgopguy
Right, and I think they should get a fair trial at the same time they are left where they are at regarding their disposition when they leave.
I think most would get the death sentence.
Then if the ACLU types insist on their freedom, let them go back for their individual executions.

I'm almost positive they would all get the death sentence in the countries they came from!
13 posted on 06/15/2005 2:42:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Rush Limbaugh called it a religious haven.


14 posted on 06/15/2005 2:44:15 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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Specter Calls Gitmo System a 'Crazy Quilt' ^

Gitmo system calls Specter a "Crazy Kilt"

15 posted on 06/15/2005 2:54:24 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Jeff Head

As someone said on another Gitmo thread, all we need is more Muslim terrorists with bullets in their heads, not panties-on-the-brain....


16 posted on 06/15/2005 3:00:03 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Enchante

Pig blood soaked bullets...and hog entrail filled graves.


17 posted on 06/15/2005 3:02:31 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Senator: 9/11 Hijackers Spared Horrors of Gitmo

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-VT, said today that Muslims around the world, severely traumatized by accusations of Koran mishandling and severe interrogations of suspected terrorists at a U.S. military detention center, can at least find much comfort in knowing that the 9/11 hijackers and other suicide bombers have been "spared the horrors of Gitmo."

The Senator said he hoped his comments, during Republican Sen. Arlen Specter's hearings into policies and procedures at the Guantanamo Bay detention center, "would help heal wounds and win hearts on the Arab street."

"Even though the 19 alleged 9/11 terrorists never got a fair trial in a court of law," said Mr. Leahy, "at least they escaped the discomfort, shame, humiliation and unbearable inconvenience of imprisonment at Gitmo. I want Muslims everywhere to reflect upon the fact that however saddened we may all feel about the fate of hundreds of suicide bombers, er, I mean martyrs and freedom fighters, who have died in jihad around the world, at least all these blessed martyrs have been spared the sordid fate of their compatriots at Gitmo."

The Vermont Democrat noted that, "If the hijackers had miraculously walked away from the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center and Pentagon they would have been subjected to such indignities and injustices that make America the shame of the civilized world."


18 posted on 06/15/2005 3:04:25 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Enchante

Chop off a few heads before putting the panties on them and then listen to which upsets the media more.


19 posted on 06/15/2005 3:09:05 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (http://hour9.blogspot.com/)
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To: Enchante

I thought at first this was satire.


20 posted on 06/15/2005 3:09:45 PM PDT by Mr. Keys
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