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Transforming Culture: Christian Truth Confronts Post-Christian America
Albert Mohler ^ | 2005 | R. Albert Mohler Jr.

Posted on 06/16/2005 5:24:12 AM PDT by SLB

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To: SLB

Good article.


21 posted on 06/16/2005 6:28:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SLB
"And yes, if you try to keep a pregnant woman from participating in a graduation ceremony, I'd be tickled pink to sue you so fast your head will spin, and I'll kick your ass up one side of the courtroom and down the other. ;^)"

After re-reading the thread twice, I can't find where you made such a statement as to the allegation that you were attempting to keep a pregnant woman from participating from a graduation ceremony. Surely a lawyer wouldn't make an untrue statement would they?

22 posted on 06/16/2005 6:28:34 AM PDT by Sam's Army (My neighbor gives drinking a bad name)
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To: SLB

You're career military, you've heard "kick your ass" more times than you can count. Or do you subscribe to the double standard, men can say "kick your ass" but women have to say, "kick your fanny, tee hee"?

Sure, sure, the world's going to hell in a handbasket, and it was better in the Good Old Days, when women knew their place.

Or maybe you're the kind of man who says "kick your fanny"? ;^)


23 posted on 06/16/2005 6:30:41 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Sam's Army

Sam, drinking so early in the day?


24 posted on 06/16/2005 6:31:59 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: darbymcgill

My guess is that you put Bushmill's in your morning coffee.


25 posted on 06/16/2005 6:32:54 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
Yep, had a diet coke 'bout a half hour ago.

How's things with the book club?

26 posted on 06/16/2005 6:33:21 AM PDT by Sam's Army (My neighbor gives drinking a bad name)
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To: CobaltBlue
Just because I hear it does not mean I have to say it. In the 1950's I found out from the man I admired the most, my dad, that real men do not have to stoop so low as to use potty language. I had a very successful military career without using it. Yes I heard it, but then I considered the source and decided not to lower myself to those standards.
27 posted on 06/16/2005 6:34:52 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB

"Potty language"? LOL.

Yes, I suppose the world does seem like a terrible place to you.


28 posted on 06/16/2005 6:40:21 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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Nice come back.

I got another one. Do you walk hand in hand with your children through the alleys and under bridges of skid row applauding and handing out 50 dollar bills to those with needles hanging out of their arms because you never know, one of them might need the insulin.


29 posted on 06/16/2005 6:42:53 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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I have no idea what you're talking about. And all I've had to drink so far is two cups of coffee and a glass of water. So if you're not drinking, and I'm not drinking, there has to be another explanation as to why you're not making sense.


30 posted on 06/16/2005 6:50:37 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: SLB

"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight it's way out of a piss-soaked paper bag."
-- General Patton


31 posted on 06/16/2005 7:11:24 AM PDT by Bluchers Elephant
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To: CobaltBlue

I think the author rightly divided this graduation metaphor into two events. One was the determination of the woman for graduating, which deserves applause. The other was the decision to get pregnant without a husband, which does not deserve applause.


32 posted on 06/16/2005 7:16:36 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: CobaltBlue
Ok,

1. The vast majority of speeders are not racing an injured child to the hospital

2. The vast majority of people outside of a doctors office with a needles in their arms are not diabetic.

3. The vast majority of pregnant graduating seniors are not valedictorians, married to the father of the child, who has the means to support them both and himself.
33 posted on 06/16/2005 7:27:48 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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I'd rather they graduated pregnant than got an abortion.

Yes, the ideal is to wait until after graduation to get married, and to wait for marriage before you have sex. We all know that.

Nevertheless, getting pregnant out of wedlock has always been a lot more common than we'd like. Studies show that as many as one in three first born children born to women in Colonial days were born significantly less than 9 months after marriage.

Back in those days, women didn't go to high school.


34 posted on 06/16/2005 7:38:43 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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"I would imagine your mother knew before she married your dad that she would not be allowed to participate in the ceremonies and accepted it."

Not that I support the ACLU necessarily, but why should someone have to choose between being married and pregnant and accepting recognition for academic achievement?


35 posted on 06/16/2005 8:20:39 AM PDT by cubram
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How many union member, Catholics Protestants voted for Democrats Republicans to be U.S. Senators during the 1950's and 1960's 1990s and 2000s who then confirmed the judges that gave us Roe v. Wade? NCLB, national health care subsidies, etc.

A lot

How many U.S. Jews Protestant evangelicals did the same thing as the Catholics for the reason of getting continued U.S. dollars to Isreal?

A lot

How many black evangelical citizens voted for Democrats as U.S. Senators who then confirmed the judges that gave us Roe v. Wade did their best to destroy federalism in order to get and expand the welfare state? pander to the pro-life movement (well meaning folks mind you) in order to gain votes?

A lot

And you are surprised by the sudden change in the U.S. culture to the culture of death Republicans' understanding of limited government to that of 'as long as we're in control'?

I find your statements offensive. These folks are no different than those that continually, incessantly, and wrongly continue voting blindly as long as a person has the right letter by their name. They are all citizens of their respective states who vote based on what the government can give, supply, or provide for their current need or desire. No different. And the issues I've mentioned done by the Republicans will do as much if not more harm to the ideals of the Framers, federalism, and a continued slide in this nation of states than anything done by the groups you mention

36 posted on 06/16/2005 10:12:49 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
The groups that I mentioned in my previous post, Catholics, Jews, and Blacks, are "religious" people.

Most religions support the sanctity of life.

These groups voted for Marxist, socialist, Democrats during the decades I stated, 1950's and 1960's. The evidence is that the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate for 40 years.

As most people know, Marx and Engels were athiests, relative moralist.

The Marxist, socialist, Democrats, beginning in the late 1930's, began their quest to ingrain an anti-moral culture in the U.S. with the unconstitutional enactment of laws supporting Marxist unionism, confiscation of private property, and Social Security.

So, why did supposedly "religious" people, who profess to believe in God, vote continiously for people who admired, professed, and advocated the ideas of admitted non-relgious, athiests and then act surprised when the result is a culture of death?

That is my point.

37 posted on 06/16/2005 10:31:09 AM PDT by tahiti
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So, why did supposedly "religious" people, who profess to believe in God, vote continiously for people who admired, professed, and advocated the ideas of admitted non-relgious, athiests and then act surprised when the result is a culture of death?

Ah, but you picked out Catholics, Jews, and Blacks. There were plenty of religious people that voted for Democrats that did not belong to any of those groups. The South used to be a Democratic stronghold, for reasons we'll not get into here, and that was played upon by Democrats looking to reach national offices. Shall we blame the South as well? Hell, it's done enough already, why not?

The Marxist, socialist, Democrats, beginning in the late 1930's, began their quest to ingrain an anti-moral culture in the U.S. with the unconstitutional enactment of laws supporting Marxist unionism, confiscation of private property, and Social Security.

And yet I see confiscation of private property and Social Security being touted as good things for 'society' daily by local Republicans (on property) and national Republicans (on SS). Shall we now blame white Protestant 'faithful' for societal ills that vote for Republicans based solely that they say the right things? Being a white Protestant myself that has seen the light on party line voting, I'm for it. About time somebody wakes the sheep up before you people sell the rest of my life and my land down the river just because you have to vote for the right damn letter

So, why did supposedly "religious" people, who profess to believe in God, vote continiously for people who admired, professed, and advocated the ideas of admitted non-relgious, athiests and then act surprised when the result is a culture of death?

You know what? I don't know and I really don't care. Instead of Republicans trying to fix everything at the national level, perhaps they should return to conservatism's roots (Republicans don't have conservative roots, as they were the original party of big government) and remember what the Framers had in mind for the national government and its limitations. You would be suprised over time of how your 'culture of death' would right itself

38 posted on 06/16/2005 10:44:49 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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