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Your ISP as Net watchdog
CNET News.com ^ | 6/16/2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 06/17/2005 6:29:41 AM PDT by rattrap

The U.S. Department of Justice is quietly shopping around the explosive idea of requiring Internet service providers to retain records of their customers' online activities.

Data retention rules could permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity months after Internet providers ordinarily would have deleted the logs--that is, if logs were ever kept in the first place. No U.S. law currently mandates that such logs be kept.

In theory, at least, data retention could permit successful criminal and terrorism prosecutions that otherwise would have failed because of insufficient evidence. But privacy worries and questions about the practicality of assembling massive databases of customer behavior have caused a similar proposal to stall in Europe and could engender stiff opposition domestically.

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What's new:
The U.S. Department of Justice is mulling data retention rules that could permit police to obtain records of e-mail, browsing or chat-room activity months after ISPs ordinarily would have deleted the logs--if they were ever kept in the first place.

Bottom line:
Data retention could aid criminal and terrorism prosecutions, but privacy worries and questions about the practicality of assembling massive databases of customer behavior could engender stiff opposition to the proposal.

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The Minsitry of Truth, err... The DOJ wants to take away a little more of your privacy. Of course it's going to help fight terrorism, so don't worry about it.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

1 posted on 06/17/2005 6:29:41 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: rattrap

If you don't want anyone to be able to find out who you are, just go to a free wireless area with a laptop.


2 posted on 06/17/2005 6:32:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

If you don't want anyone to be able to find out who you are, just go to a free wireless area with a laptop





do you mean like the actual terrorists do?


3 posted on 06/17/2005 6:33:49 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: rattrap

4 posted on 06/17/2005 6:34:20 AM PDT by Huck (Don't follow leaders)
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To: stuartcr

There's still an ISP providing the connection to the hotspot. There's a log with your MAC (not Macintosh for those who don't know, it's a hardware address) address.


5 posted on 06/17/2005 6:34:45 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: stuartcr
just go to a free wireless area with a laptop.

Not everyone lives in the big city.

6 posted on 06/17/2005 6:35:47 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: sure_fine

Probably


7 posted on 06/17/2005 6:36:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: rattrap

Just because someone knows your MAC, doesn't mean they know who you are. Lots of people buy wi-fi cards with cash.


8 posted on 06/17/2005 6:37:28 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: holymoly

I guess, if you wanted to do bad stuff, without getting caught, you'd probably move, or at least travel a little.


9 posted on 06/17/2005 6:38:21 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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So what you're saying is this wouldn't even help catch the people it's aimed at?


10 posted on 06/17/2005 6:40:06 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: stuartcr

Plus tehre are certain wi-fi cards that can be spoofed ( give it a phony MAC address for a session so there is no trace back to the actual card ) with software available on the Internet.


11 posted on 06/17/2005 6:42:56 AM PDT by Codeograph
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To: rattrap

If both ends were anonymous, I don't see how.


12 posted on 06/17/2005 6:43:19 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Codeograph

Easily done.


13 posted on 06/17/2005 6:43:49 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: rattrap
I just heard yesterday that President Bush has signed an executive order mandating that all states issue digitized driver's licenses. What federal statute or article of the Constitution gives him the right to do that? I was furious to hear that. It sounds like the kind of over-reaching that Bill Clinton would have done in his heyday.
14 posted on 06/17/2005 6:44:37 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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"So what you're saying is this wouldn't even help catch the people it's aimed at?"

Only if you believe it is aimed at terrorists. I, for one, don't.


15 posted on 06/17/2005 6:46:05 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: rattrap

I this goes thru ...and a Demo-rat wins in 2008....


16 posted on 06/17/2005 6:46:22 AM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: WoofDog123

I don't either.


17 posted on 06/17/2005 6:48:27 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: rattrap
have worked for several isps...

this kind of record keeping has been going on for a number of years...

...beginning in the 'surprise, surprise' komrade krintoon administration!

18 posted on 06/17/2005 6:48:43 AM PDT by NoClones
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But it's not required by law unless a law enforcement agency requests the info from the ISP. Even then, it's only 90 days. Now Comrade Bush's administration could be providing this power for the next Comrade Clinton administration.


19 posted on 06/17/2005 7:05:44 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: NoClones

Maybe some one needs to come up with a program which will constantly use your internet capacity at 100%. Send mail to dead addresses, visit websites at random, google for random topics, etc. That way the federales will not be able to separate that chaff from the grain of what you really do on the web. Imagine the ISP having to keep a 100MB log of web activity for each user each day.


20 posted on 06/17/2005 7:06:49 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republicans and Democrats no longer exist. There are only Fabian and revolutionary socialists.)
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