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EU Talks on Its Future Budget Collapse
Las Vegas Sun ^ | June 17, 2005 at 20:00:37 PDT | BETH GARDINER ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 06/17/2005 8:05:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 06/17/2005 8:05:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 06/17/2005 8:08:15 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hmm, 120 Billion to run the EU every year. There's some money well-spent.

Why don't I hear Bono telling them to send that dough to Africa?


3 posted on 06/17/2005 8:10:21 PM PDT by WI Conservative 4 Bush (Three Cheers for Old Nassau!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Will the EU just die, already?


4 posted on 06/17/2005 8:11:57 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

I don't know ....but that Constitution is a piece of Marxists trash!

They need to start over....


5 posted on 06/17/2005 8:17:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I had to reread that headline...I thought they were planning for the inevitable budget collapse if they were to ever get off the ground.
6 posted on 06/17/2005 8:19:06 PM PDT by sierrahome (Colfax, CA; "A Small Drinking Town With A Rail Road Problem.")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Here is the BBC report.

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ast Updated: Saturday, 18 June, 2005, 01:36 GMT 02:36 UK

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EU 'in crisis' over talks failure
Jacques Chirac
The French president was scathing about the British stance
The EU is in "deep crisis", says its current President Jean Claude Juncker, after budget talks broke down over a bitter row between the UK and France.

France condemned the UK for rejecting a deal to have its EU rebate frozen.

President Jacques Chirac said he "deplored" Britain's "pathetic" desire to "keep the entirety of its cheque".

Britain argued that any deal must be linked to reform of EU farm subsidies - but France, the biggest beneficiary of those subsidies, rejected this.

One compromise offered by Luxembourg was turned down by Britain; another was described by a British official as "even worse".

Afterwards, Luxembourg's leader, Jean Claude Juncker, who currently holds the rotating EU presidency, accused some nations of lacking the political will to reach a settlement.

British PM Tony Blair
If we remove the rebate, we have to remove the reasons for its existence
British PM Tony Blair

Diplomats and others, he said, "will tell you that Europe is not in crisis".

"It is in a deep crisis."

His comments were echoed by German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who said: "We are in one of the worst political crises Europe has ever seen".

The Brussels summit also ended without any plan to save a proposed constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters in recent referendums.

'Distortion of expenditure'

Mr Chirac said Mr Blair tried to "safeguard his entire rebate, and that led other countries to overplay their hand".

"That is a bad result for Europe," he said.


Mr Blair has claimed four or five other nations - among the 25 EU members - supported his decision to reject the deal.

Asked if France and Luxembourg had sought to isolate Britain in the row, Mr Blair replied: "If it was such an attempt, it failed."

There was fighting talk from Mr Blair, says our correspondent Jonny Dymond, and it attracted the undisguised bitterness and hostility of Britain's biggest partners in the EU.

Mr Blair said the British rebate was itself the result of a "distortion of expenditure across the EU" and therefore, "if we remove the rebate, we have to remove the reasons for its existence".

He went on to attack the Common Agricultural Policy (Cap), which decides EU farm subsidies, for diverting to agriculture funds that would be better deployed on science, technology and education.

The UK is set to take over the EU presidency at the start of next month.

Horns locked

Britain said it will veto any cut in the 4.4bn euro (£3bn) rebate unless farm subsidies are overhauled, a stance which puts it at loggerheads with France.

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The EU does not exist only for the benefit of the UK
Niclas, Uppsala, Sweden

French President Jacques Chirac refused to discuss any cut in farm subsidies and says the rebate should "under no circumstances be linked to a reform of farm expenditure".

The BBC's William Horsley in Brussels says the summit descended into a bitter feud about what Europe is for and who should decide its future.

Earlier, the leaders put the EU constitution on hold by abandoning a 2006 deadline for ratification, following the 'No' votes in the French and Dutch referendums on the issue.

The proposed constitution, which needs to be ratified by all 25 member states, is designed to define the future direction of the union and the way it is run.


7 posted on 06/17/2005 8:20:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They need to start over....

Yep. One match oughta do it.

Can anyone seriously believe all those countries with their separate identities, customs, etc, are going to meld into one big happy family - and who will be their daddy?

8 posted on 06/17/2005 8:22:49 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I don't know ....but that Constitution is a piece of Marxists trash!
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Yes it is -- but Chirac and Schroeder (and ilk) wanted it that way. They just did not listen when I told them that socialism does not work.... :-)

Loving every minute of their leftist misery...


9 posted on 06/17/2005 8:24:47 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

EU, dominated by France, will take whatever position its paying customers tell it to take, even supporting an offensive against USA. We should support a boycott of all French products. The they deserve it!


10 posted on 06/17/2005 8:25:27 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
50-year process of EU integration

Really, now. Do they think they'll become one happy family in fifty years? I honestly can't see it happening. I see Britain as the big dog on the block.

11 posted on 06/17/2005 8:26:53 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Dog Gone

fyi


12 posted on 06/17/2005 8:27:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Schroeder, who said: "We are in one of the worst political crises Europe has ever seen".

Hmmm - maybe something to this Karma thing after all...

13 posted on 06/17/2005 8:27:46 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

British Prime Minister Tony Blair dismissed suggestions that Britain was the main cause of the summit's collapse, insisting four other countries also were unable to reach agreement.

In what appeared to be a veiled reference to Chirac, Blair said: "I'm not prepared to have someone tell me there is only one view of what Europe is."

"Europe isn't owned by any of them, Europe is owned by all of us."

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Give him hell, Tony!


14 posted on 06/17/2005 8:33:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: everyone

I'm waiting for all of this to get blamed on Bush, and I'm waiting on the US libbies and demonrats to demand that we bail the EU out.

It's coming...you all know it is.

/rolls eyes


15 posted on 06/17/2005 8:35:15 PM PDT by Dr Stormfist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Devil's in the details when planning your One World Order. (Hee-hee-hee!)


16 posted on 06/17/2005 8:35:59 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"In a sign of how much the EU's new members were prepared to go to clinch a deal, Poland, the Czech Republic and eight other eastern nations offered funds destined for them to their rich western partners."

Yeah ...those Easties are smart...50 years under the communist yoke tought them how to short circuit the rules...and the EU is the same central planning but with a smiley face.

See all those "Polish Plumbers" flocking to France and Germany to take jobs the natives are too haughty to bother with.

17 posted on 06/17/2005 8:41:47 PM PDT by spokeshave (Strategery + Schardenfreude = Stratenschardenfreudery)
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In what appeared to be a veiled reference to Chirac, Blair said: "I'm not prepared to have someone tell me there is only one view of what Europe is."

"Europe isn't owned by any of them, Europe is owned by all of us."

Reminds me of a certain Texan.

WTG Tony!

This is almost as fun as the days of Freedom Fries. LOL

18 posted on 06/17/2005 8:47:33 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: sierrahome
France and Germany were trying to put pressure on Blair before the talks.

Blair got Bush to shaft the US Taxpayer
to give him gravitas with that Africa waste of money.

Schroeder, well, the Germans that voted him in, are dumber than the typical Democrat voter. What does Germany
get for their €7.7B?

19 posted on 06/17/2005 8:48:19 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
House of cards...?

Of course this is all the fault of Britannia, as it is their lone economy that still manages to perform.

More like Humpty Dumpty.
20 posted on 06/17/2005 8:55:29 PM PDT by mmercier (Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees)
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