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Nevada lawmakers move to protect immigrants
Las VegaS sUN ^ | June 17, 2005 | KATHLEEN HENNESSEY

Posted on 06/17/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by bayourod

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Immigrants won a handful of protections from the 2005 Nevada Legislature, including measures that preserve their access to college scholarships, aim to improve their health and target human traffickers.

Advocates point to the battle over cutting back the cash-strapped Millennium Scholarship program as the most visible win for immigrants.

Republicans in the Senate had backed a plan that would have prohibited students without Social Security numbers from receiving the $10,000 college tuition awards. Late-night, hot-tempered negotiations blew up when Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas, asked Democrats if they wanted the money to go to "illegal aliens."

Although the issue - along with new grade point average requirements and semester credit limits - forced lawmakers into a special session, the compromise deal removed the Social Security provision and was approved unanimously in the Senate and by a large majority in the Assembly.

"These are children who've gone through the public school system and their parents are paying taxes," said Jan Gilbert of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada. "We believe they deserve (the scholarship) like other students."

A bill that tries to reduce harassment and discrimination in schools ranks high on American Civil Liberties Union lobbyist Laura Mijanovich's list of victories for immigrants. Mijanovich said immigrant children, particularly Muslim girls who wear headscarves, are often bullied, and school employees don't always deal with the complaints.

AB202 requires schools to have a uniform system of reporting harassment or bullying, and mandates staff training.

"They need to understand there's a lot of bias and stereotypes that need to be broken, and I believe this bill will help them deal with it in a more positive way," she said.

Attorney General Brian Sandoval introduced two bills aimed at protecting recent arrivals to the state, including SB456, which cracks down on human trafficking, slavery and forced labor.

Migrant workers in the construction and agricultural industries, and young men and women caught in the sex trade are the most common victims in Nevada, Chief Deputy Attorney General Gerald Gardner said.

The bill rewrites a Nevada law on involuntary servitude to include enslaving someone by confiscating their passport or threatening them with deportation.

"It gives us a far stronger tool to prosecute those trafficking in human slavery by allowing us to get them for physical and nonphysical threats," Gardner said. "It also helps us target the middle men, those who do the recruiting and harboring of trafficking victims."

Sandoval's other effort, which would have regulated businesses that advertise translation services but often dispense specious legal advice on naturalization, died in an Assembly committee.

AB490 ran into opposition from legal experts who argued the businesses were illegally practicing law and should be shut down, not regulated.

Assemblyman Mo Denis, D-Las Vegas was more successful with his proposal to bar notaries public from advertising with the Spanish translation "notario publico" - a common term for "lawyer" in some countries.

Lawmakers also created and funded an Office of Minority Health to coordinate programs to try to improve minorities' access to affordable health care.

Advocates were less successful in pushing a bill that would have required construction companies that have contracts with the state to recruit more minorities and women. Faced with industry opposition, the bill was rewritten as a resolution encouraging women and minorities to take advantage of opportunities in the field.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aliens; bayourodbs; frbollies; illiegalaliens; immigration; immigrationissues; nationalsecurity; viperlegislators
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1 posted on 06/17/2005 9:18:37 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod

All that construction going on in the fastest-growing city in the U.S. Can't have expensive labor, ya know?/


2 posted on 06/17/2005 9:19:46 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: bayourod
Immigrants?

Oh...you mean illegal aliens!

Nevada's legislature has voted more of the largess of her legal citizens to support illegal aliens, ensuring that more will flock there, further indebting the lawful citizens of the state. Hopefully, the lawful citizens of the state will have good sense enough to route these vipers out of their state capital!

3 posted on 06/17/2005 9:23:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
It kills me that the standard argument for excusing the burglarizing of our nation is that the illegals "pay taxes too" and are therefore deserving of anything and everything that America has to offer.
4 posted on 06/17/2005 9:28:42 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: bayourod
"These are children who've gone through the public school system and their parents are paying taxes," said Jan Gilbert of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada.

For once, at least just once, I would like some cold hard facts that illegals are paying taxes. And I mean federal income tax, not gas tax or sales tax. How does the Progressive Leadership Alliance know that illegals are paying income tax when they don't even know if I am.

5 posted on 06/17/2005 9:29:52 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: mabelkitty

Not only construction, but hotel and restaurant workers.


6 posted on 06/17/2005 9:36:17 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: Texas_Jarhead
They are illegal...they should all be deported.

In addition, Congress should immediately vote a change in the Law that any child born to an illegal alien on our shores is not granted citizenship but is deported with their parent(s) back to their country of origin.

7 posted on 06/17/2005 9:36:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
They are illegal...they should all be deported...."Congress should immediately vote a change in the Law that any child born to an illegal alien on our shores is not granted citizenship but is deported ..."

How can you say one group should be deported simply because they are illegal, and then say that the law should be changed to make native born citizens illegal and call for them to be deported?

The Fourteenth Amendment (that's part of the U.S. Constitution) reads in part:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States "

Instead of changing the Constitution to make one group illegal, why not just change a statute to make the other group legal? I think there may be something about "illegal" that you don't understand.

8 posted on 06/17/2005 9:48:13 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: taxesareforever
"I would like some cold hard facts that illegals are paying taxes. "

Taxes are not voluntary. Illegal immigrants have to pay them just like everyone else.

Employers who fail to withhold IRS taxes go to prison regularly. Employers who deduct less labor costs than standard for their business category get audited.

9 posted on 06/17/2005 9:53:43 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
Wow. Where have I been? I haven't heard of one employer even going to trial, let alone prison.
10 posted on 06/17/2005 9:55:56 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: bayourod
No...the people coming here into this nation without going through our legal process are here illegally. That is clear. In my opinion, they should be deported.

That does not mean I am against immigration...far from it. It just means that there must be an identifiable legal process and we must enforce it. It also means that we need to gain control of our borders, which is the only sane thing to do in this error of terror and warfare.

Now, I have only one issue with the 14th amendment. I do not believe it was ever intended to be a free ride for people breaking the law to get here just to take advantage of it. That needs, IMHO, to be rectified and the "law" the congress passed would have to take the form of a constitutional amendment that the people of the various states would vote on.

...and I'll bet you, if it were ever passed on to the states for ratification, it would pass.

No misunderstanding whatsoeve on my part there...just an opinion on how to address what, in my view, is a serious probblem...illegal aliens.

11 posted on 06/17/2005 9:56:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: bayourod
Immigrants won a handful of protections

Presumably this means illegal immigrants, I get so ticked off at the way the media lumps all immigrants together.

12 posted on 06/17/2005 10:15:16 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: taxesareforever

The federal prisons are full of tax evaders.


13 posted on 06/17/2005 10:16:46 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod

Tax evaders are one thing, employers in prison for not paying taxes on illegal aliens was our point of controversy and your last statement doesn't back up your claim.


14 posted on 06/17/2005 10:25:46 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: bayourod
CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Immigrants won a handful of protections from the 2005 Nevada Legislature, including measures that preserve their access to college scholarships, aim to improve their health and target human traffickers.

Those that left Cal to go to the deserts of Nevada, my sympathies.

15 posted on 06/17/2005 10:26:08 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Jeff Head
If you're saying:
Immigrants that are legal are good.
Immigrants that are illegal are bad.

The solution is obviously simple; just change the law to legalize the ones who are illegal.

The "what don't you understand about illegal" arguments will never convince anyone except those seeking validation of their beliefs.

16 posted on 06/17/2005 10:26:14 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: Jeff Head

I agree. The 14th amendment made sense when mass (legal) immigration was taking place (mostly) from europe in an age when birth certs and other docs were lost, unavailable or maybe never issued in the countries of origin. Fast forward to today and we get the amazing images of women in labor lurching across the bridge to Laredo or similar so their baby can be born on US soil. It should be changed to say citizens (only) or citizens and the children of non-citizens legally present or something like that i.e. children of green card holders would be covered.


17 posted on 06/17/2005 10:27:00 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: taxesareforever

Employers who fail to make witholding payments are tax evaders.


18 posted on 06/17/2005 10:27:32 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod

I'll agree to that statement. However, in referring to failure to pay taxes from employers of illegal aliens, you said that the prisons are full of them. Proof?


19 posted on 06/17/2005 10:30:59 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: bayourod
Legalizing the illegals will clearly only encourage and invite much, much more of the same. No solution there, only exasperating an already serious problem.

The only answer is to have a workable set of legal imigration laws, and then enforce them. That means deporting the illegals and coming down on the people who employ them.

And, OBTW, I never said anything about "what you don't understand about illegals"...if I remember correctly in fact, in this discussion it was you that indicated to me that I did not understand illegal.

20 posted on 06/17/2005 10:32:57 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: 1066AD

Agreed. Legal residents or citizens.


21 posted on 06/17/2005 10:33:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

"...illegals pay taxes too..."

We'd all like to think so, but I've searched the state of Colorado and haven't found one yet. I have found lots of illegal roofers, fruit pickers, utility employees and Aspen construction workers who drive $40,000 Dodge diesel trucks and own $300,000 homes, though. It's easier to buy those things when you don't have to pay taxes.


22 posted on 06/17/2005 10:34:19 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: bayourod
Given the number of illegal aliens in this country today, for liberals this amounts to a large number of votes. If they can capitalize on this particular segment of the population they stand a strong chance of regaining political control.

In recent history, there has been a progressive movement by the liberals to grant illegals special privileges, such as issuing drivers licenses, which has been granted in the state of California.

It all comes down to pandering for votes. It has nothing to do with "compassion." Unless of course it is the socialists/communists form of "compassion."
23 posted on 06/17/2005 10:36:39 PM PDT by This Just In ("Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I've got others" - Groucho Marx)
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To: bayourod
Taxes are not voluntary. Illegal immigrants have to pay them just like everyone else.

Except if they get paid cash under the table. Then no taxes are taken out. Do you think the contractors who hire all of those day laborers are taking the required taxes out of the wages that they're paying them? Only a fool would believe that.

Employers who fail to withhold IRS taxes go to prison regularly.

This has happened perhaps a few times in the last 10 years. And you call that regularly?

24 posted on 06/17/2005 10:40:01 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod

Las Vegas needs Immigrants. They are the ones shoving those 900 number cards in your face every 5 feet. I even ran into a family doing it. They slap the cards first (whatever that means) then shove it in your face.


25 posted on 06/17/2005 10:40:59 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Jeff Head
"Legalizing the illegals will clearly only encourage and invite much, much more of the same."

So? Since the new ones will also be legal, and you don't have anything against legal immigrants, where's the problem.

The "legal vs illegal" argument will never prevail with intelligent people. For example, in academic competitive debate, opposition to something on the basis that it is illegal is not allowed for the reason that laws can always be changed.

26 posted on 06/17/2005 10:42:13 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
...and that is the problem. Intellectuals have factored right and wrong, legal and illegal, right out of the arguement.

Well, for me, that dog won't hunt. We need a sane legal immigration policy. Plain and simple. Anyone coming in outside of that norm is violating the law and should be treated as such, turned back, to come back through in the proscribed process.

...the logical conclusion of what you have stated is that there is no need for laws at all...that intelligent people can somehow just "all get along".

Well, to quote Thomas Paine who referred his remarks to the the foolishness of allowing no one to own guns...I will use the same words applied to this arguement. "Because some will not, we dare not."

I've made my points and am hapy to let others judge for themselves between us.

27 posted on 06/17/2005 10:48:47 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: bayourod
The solution is obviously simple; just change the law to legalize the ones who are illegal.

Yeah, right, let's give another amnesty to the illegal aliens. That type of "punishment" will certainly prevent more of them from coming here in the future. Sheesh.

28 posted on 06/17/2005 10:49:03 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod

It is good that Nevada is kind to those who decamp from California. California is rather over crowded these days. More need to cross the river, and into the desert now viewed as a promised land - and beyond - and beyond some more.


29 posted on 06/17/2005 10:51:48 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: bayourod
"These are children who've gone through the public school system and their parents are paying taxes," said Jan Gilbert of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada.

So paying taxes trumps being a criminal if one is an illegal alien?

The mindset of the leftist politician these days....

30 posted on 06/17/2005 10:53:53 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: judgeandjury
"Except if they get paid cash under the table."

That's an insignificant part of the economy.

Businesses need steady, dependable employees. The IRS has tables for every category of business showing how much the average labor costs are. If the tax return of the business shows a labor cost that is too far below the industry average an audit is triggered.

Failure to pay withholding taxes is routinely prosecuted and employers are commonly given hard time. The IRS doesn't even care about the immigration status of the employees.

You are probably thinking of prosecutions of employers for hiring illegals, not IRS prosecutions for failure to pay withholding taxes, filing false tax returns, tax evasion, etc.. that don't have anything to do with immigration laws, even if the employees were illegal.

31 posted on 06/17/2005 10:54:50 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: EGPWS

If a person pays the same taxes as you they should get the same benefits as you.


32 posted on 06/17/2005 10:57:24 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
The solution is obviously simple; just change the law to legalize the ones who are illegal.

Ah yes, make it a "living, breathing" issue.

I'm always excited to see something new.

Yea, just change the laws so the inmates can run the asylum.

Let's just see how it goes and then take it from there. /sarcasm

33 posted on 06/17/2005 10:58:49 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bayourod
The "legal vs illegal" argument will never prevail with intelligent people.

Yes, I want to live in a country where legal and illegal are meaningless terms.

34 posted on 06/17/2005 11:00:28 PM PDT by Penner
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To: bayourod
If a person pays the same taxes as you they should get the same benefits as you.

Interesting concept.

Break the law and for restitution pay taxes.

Has ALL common sense disappeared?

35 posted on 06/17/2005 11:01:04 PM PDT by EGPWS
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" Intellectuals have factored right and wrong, legal and illegal, right out of the argument. "

What does legal and illegal have to do with right and wrong?

Abortion is legal, does that mean you believe it's right?

Do you believe that all laws are "right"? Can't you think of any laws that you think need to be changed? How can you think that any laws need changing as long as you think that everything legal is good.

36 posted on 06/17/2005 11:04:55 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
If a person pays the same taxes as you they should get the same benefits as you.

Oh, and one other thing, as far as benefits go?

Yea, it's my pleasure to support those in need who have jumped to the front of the line as non-citizens.

When it comes to personal benefits, in 49 years those benefits have consisted of:

1)Being honored with the title of taxpayer for 49 years less 14 years.

2) see above.

37 posted on 06/17/2005 11:08:31 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bayourod

"Taxes are not voluntary. Illegal immigrants have to pay them just like everyone else.

Employers who fail to withhold IRS taxes go to prison regularly. Employers who deduct less labor costs than standard for their business category get audited."

This may be a dumb question, but that's never stopped me before. Sure, an employer can withhold taxes from a paycheck, but how then does the employer report that money to the IRS when the employee DOES NOT LEGALLY EXIST? And if these people are independent contractors, to what does the IRS match the 1099s? The "taxpayers" in these cases are not filing returns.

I don't buy that they pay taxes. And even if they do, that is no justification for criminality. The ends do not justify the means....only in the minds of 'progressives'.


38 posted on 06/17/2005 11:10:11 PM PDT by LostInBayport (Massachusetts liberals refuse to admit we exist...we are the 37% who voted for GWB)
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To: EGPWS
Should a person who has broken the law by speeding, or possessing marijuana, or driving with an expired license be denied the same benefits as others?

Should they have to pay out-of-state tuition rates?

Violating an immigration regulation has nothing more to do college tuition rates than violating a traffic offense.

39 posted on 06/17/2005 11:10:43 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
The "legal vs illegal" argument will never prevail with intelligent people.

I beg to differ, for if "legal vs illegal" isn't an argument then there is no definition of legal or illegal.

40 posted on 06/17/2005 11:13:02 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bayourod
Should a person who has broken the law by speeding, or possessing marijuana, or driving with an expired license be denied the same benefits as others?

United States laws are for the protection of United States citizens. If these laws are to be interpreted as laws for "anyone" then sovereignty no longer exists.

41 posted on 06/17/2005 11:17:53 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bayourod
Nevada is Blue State country. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
42 posted on 06/17/2005 11:20:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: bayourod
Taxes are not voluntary. Illegal immigrants have to pay them just like everyone else.

Pretty funny. As one who worked for the IRS, going after non-filers and non-payers, let me tell you the non-compliance among "immigrants" is very, very high. In fact, I received an award from the President (of the U.S.) for discovering a fraudulent tax refund scheme originated by an "immigrant" advocate, using falsified ID's from non-existent "citizens".

You have no idea just how huge the tax fraud is originating from residents south of the border.

Think about it... if these illegals are paid so low that they are called "poor" and "oppressed" they wouldn't owe any taxes--they'd get Earned Income Credit refunds...If they would file tax returns--few do.

The illegals have discovered the tax loophole favored by home-grown tax cheats: Independent Contractor. No withholding, no filing, get welfare while making $100,000 a year. By the time the IRS catches up to them they're long gone. The employment tax regulations are so weak employers failing to issue 1099's are rarely caught and/or punished.

43 posted on 06/17/2005 11:24:31 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: goldstategop
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech!

LoL!!

44 posted on 06/17/2005 11:25:31 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bayourod
What if the authorities were to withdraw property law protections to your home and allow strangers to enter, use, and leave your home at their convenience? You might be upset, but we would reply, "But we all benefit from allowing these people to use your home. They're just trying to find a safe place to sleep; it would dangerous for them and us if we didn't provide for them in this manner."

If you were to then complain, "But it is illegal to allow strangers to trespass into my home." We might reply, "We will pass a 'bayourod law' and make it officially legal. Then you'll have no complaint and you'll feel better."

45 posted on 06/17/2005 11:29:42 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Auntie Dem
Think about it... if these illegals are paid so low that they are called "poor" and "oppressed" they wouldn't owe any taxes--they'd get Earned Income Credit refunds...If they would file tax returns--few do.

It can be done however.

A visit to the office of Immigration and naturalization and the honor of a green card bestowed upon one works wonders for those eager to be a member of our wonderful union.

And IT'S THE LAW!

46 posted on 06/17/2005 11:31:41 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: JCEccles
If you were to then complain, "But it is illegal to allow strangers to trespass into my home." We might reply, "We will pass a 'bayourod law' and make it officially legal. Then you'll have no complaint and you'll feel better."

: )

47 posted on 06/17/2005 11:34:03 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bayourod
Over half of the construction workers in Las Vegas are illegal. People are pouring in and home prices are skyrocketing. Someone who bought a $200,000 home, built by illegals, two years ago is now $60,000 to $100,000 wealthier. It's those greedy homebuyers.

Illegals create wealth. They create markets. They create opportunity. Legal or illegal they are going to be here. We need a guest worker program that recognizes that fact.

48 posted on 06/17/2005 11:35:25 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: bayourod

You are just a one-trick pony, aren't you?


49 posted on 06/17/2005 11:37:10 PM PDT by Tripoli
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Illegals create wealth. They create markets. They create opportunity. Legal or illegal they are going to be here.

That being the case let's just make it easier for them and solve all our illegal immigration problems.

50 posted on 06/17/2005 11:42:31 PM PDT by EGPWS
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