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To: CHARLITE

Funny, he talks about bad argumentation and uses the weakest argument out there. The lettuce crap.

1. Vast majority of illegals don't work in agriculture.
2. Cost of labor is not the only core cost in agriculture. Maybe costs would go up, but that much.
3. Americans can also pick crops and have in the past.
4. Legal immigrants could also work in agriculture. Or perhaps a guest worker program only for ag might not be a bad idea.
5. Higher labor costs would encourage more mechanization in ag.


4 posted on 06/17/2005 9:38:01 PM PDT by TFine80
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To: TFine80

Agriculture is just an example.


7 posted on 06/17/2005 9:42:35 PM PDT by Dat
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To: TFine80; 26lemoncharlie
Your solution to illegals taking jobs from Americans is not to give the jobs back to Americans, but to eliminate the jobs entirely?

Anti-business and anti-labor.

24 posted on 06/17/2005 10:13:21 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: TFine80; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Travis McGee; ...


One FR thread this week had stats that only 3% of illegal aliens actually work in agriculture

But 27% of US constuction workers are now illegal aliens

Similiar %ages in other occupations

This also drives down the wages of honest American workers - In 2004 inflation adjusted wages are less than 5 & 10 years ago

So this writer is trying to blow smoke up where the sun don*t shine while you are not expecting it

-- Now just consider not paying your federal, state, and city incomre taxes like illegal aliens do - as government ignores illegal aliens breaking the law - yet nail you in a heartbeat


Yet I hear the IRS loves to nail illegal aliens and crooked employers - you get a 10% bounty for every dollar the employer &/or illegal alien ripped off the IRS

Seems like any crooked employer of several illegal aliens could provide you with a good chunk of legal bounty cash courtesy of the IRS


Several RICO lawsuits filed by legal American employees and competitors of crooked emplyers of illegal aliens are now in the court system - and motions to dismiss filed by the companies attorneys have been been turned down buy the courts - the financial judgements against these corrupt greedy companies will be huge

IRS & RICO

It works for me!




28 posted on 06/17/2005 10:21:00 PM PDT by devolve (-------------------------------------------------)
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To: TFine80
The right way to look at illegal immigration is with a pragmatic eye. Simple questions need to be asked: Are Americans willing to pay $4 instead of $1 for a head of lettuce?

The most pro-illegal alien statistics I've seen indicate a 40% rise in the cost of lettuce-- $1.40, not $4.00. This freaking nimrod's argument is so full of holes, I don't know where to begin.

If we "need" Mexican agricultural workers, then we should have a program which specifically grants seasonal permits to such workers, not an open border arrangement that admits criminals, drug dealers and terrorists.

As Michael Savage says, 'take a drive around illegal immigrant heavy big city neighborhoods at mid-day and see how many are sitting on their front stoops drinking and stoned out of their minds-- then tell me they're all here to work.'

Finally, the author needs to cut this crap of intentionally confusing illegal and legal immigrants. This is the equivalent of equating someone who purchased their diploma from a fradulent mill for $20 and someone who spend years of hard work and tons of money earning one legitimately.

51 posted on 06/18/2005 4:06:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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