Russia: Pro-Moscow Chechen Official Confirms Atrocities

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty ^ | 2005 Jun 17 | Robert Parsons

[RusIvan]

Russians just wanted to be like Amerikkans and that's why they killed Chechens !==

Accualy Chechen militia kills chechen islamists today. Federal troops crushed organised islamist military. Now it is the work of chechen militia.
They catch or kill any those "martyrs", "imams", "boevicks" and so on.

I propose better solution. Let us exile all islamist suppoters from Chechnya to Poland. How about this Greg?:))
You are ready to get them to feed them to console them?

[Lukasz]

Damn Amerikkans, they killed the Indians ! Russians just wanted to be like Amerikkans and that's why they killed Chechens !

Wild wild East! ;-))

[KeyWest]

"Incorrect. Anyone who takes up a weapon ceases to be a civilian and becomes a combatant"

True, until they are killed then the propaganda machine calls them "innocent civilians".

Just read an article in the paper about two kids killed in a high speed chase. Guess who is innocent and guess who is guilty according to the press. From reading the article it was obvious that they must have been on their way to church. So what if it was in the middle of the night, some church had to be open. Drunk, but spiritual. Choirboys chased by demons.

That is the intent of my post. I take any characterization of those in the radical Islam camp as innocents with a truckload of salt. A Time mag reporter characterized the killers of 9/11 as just misguided kids. Reporters are not just dupes. They are on the other side of reason.

[wtc911]

As for Vietnam, there were plenty of atrocities that went on.

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That's right, I forgot all the mass graves the commies found and the press exposed after we left.

[GarySpFc]

As for Vietnam, there were plenty of atrocities that went on.
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That's right, I forgot all the mass graves the commies found and the press exposed after we left.

The troops kept them quiet, and outside of Mai Lai there were no mass killings that I know of, but individual troops picking off one to three civilians in anger at a time was common. If you know anybody who was there get them off to the side and ask them. Fragging officers was also common, but only recently has that come out.

'Fragging. When one American killed another American, usually a superior officer or an NCO, the term "fragging" came into use. Although the term simply meant that a fragmentation grenade was used in the murder, it later became an all encompassing term for such an action. It is known that "fraggings" did occur during Vietnam, but the precise number is uncertain.

"During the years of 1969 down to 1973, we have the rise of fragging - that is, shooting or hand-grenading your NCO or your officer who orders you out into the field," says historian Terry Anderson of Texas A & M University. "The US Army itself does not know exactly how many...officers were murdered. But they know at least 600 were murdered, and then they have another 1400 that died mysteriously. Consequently by early 1970, the army [was] at war not with the enemy but with itself." Rough figures for "fraggings" are indicated in column a. below.'

http://home.mweb.co.za/re/redcap/vietcrim.htm

[GarySpFc]

pING

[wtc911]

I'm of that era and worked with guys on the NYPD who had been there. I know that the isolated incidents occurred but this other guy is comparing it to the Russian habit of leaving mass graves wherever they've been and that comparison is not legitimate.

[GarySpFc]

I'm of that era and worked with guys on the NYPD who had been there. I know that the isolated incidents occurred but this other guy is comparing it to the Russian habit of leaving mass graves wherever they've been and that comparison is not legitimate.

I have a little more experience than just knowing someone telling rumors about Nam. Indeed, I have lots of experience. Additionally, my wife's nephew is Spetsnaz in the Russian Army, and just completed his fourth tour in Chechnya. Now, what mass graves rumors are you wanting to discuss?

[wtc911]

Gee Gary, I'm impressed. Now, if as you intimate, you have first hand knowledge of Chechnya-style US atrocities in Viet Nam then tell us all about it. I'm sure that the NVA and their government did their best to hide all the evidence in 1975.

"Additionally, my wife's nephew is Spetsnaz in the Russian Army, and just completed his fourth tour in Chechnya."

Kinda falls into that "someone telling rumors" category, doesn't it?

[GarySpFc]

Gee Gary, I'm impressed. Now, if as you intimate, you have first hand knowledge of Chechnya-style US atrocities in Viet Nam then tell us all about it. I'm sure that the NVA and their government did their best to hide all the evidence in 1975.

What you don't seem to understand is the Russians have a draftee, not a professional army, which explains most of the problems. That said, please tell me about the mass graves in Chechnya?

"Additionally, my wife's nephew is Spetsnaz in the Russian Army, and just completed his fourth tour in Chechnya."

Kinda falls into that "someone telling rumors" category, doesn't it?

Sasha has 18 years in the Russian Army and as such is a professional. I was a professional SF soldier, and so we have the ability to communicate on a higher level.