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Protesters on both sides of immigration debate face off in Alhambra
Associated Press ^ | June 19. 2005 | Associated Press.

Posted on 06/19/2005 7:18:23 AM PDT by occutegirl

ALHAMBRA, Calif. Protesters on both sides of the immigration debate faced off peacefully today outside a Home Depot in Alhambra Many undocumented immigrants often wait for work there, and several dozen protesters from the group Save Our State gathered to demonstrate against them.

They were met with a much larger group that opposes policies against illegal immigrants. San Gabriel Neighbors Peace and Justice says the immigrants should be left alone because they are simply seeking honest work.

Save Our State members say they are not against immigrants. Some of them are immigrants themselves. They accused Home Depot support illegal immigrants by allowing undocumented laborers to stand outside their stores.

Home Depot said in a statement it does not support illegal immigration but can't stop workers from standing near its stores.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; daylabor; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; protest
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1 posted on 06/19/2005 7:18:23 AM PDT by occutegirl
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2 posted on 06/19/2005 7:20:40 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl
Alhambra used to be a quaint, lovely little community, very close-knit. Everybody knew each other...think "American Graffiti." Now I don't even recognize the town I grew up in.

Sad Alhambra BTTT. Go Moors!

3 posted on 06/19/2005 7:22:09 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: occutegirl

If you are against Illegal Immigration and you are not organized, you will lose this fight.

There is no way you can stop the SWARM !!


4 posted on 06/19/2005 7:22:56 AM PDT by Zenith
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To: occutegirl
Good morning.

From the pictures, I would say this was more a case of communists and Mexican racialists protesting than immigrants.

What is that red and black flag? I seem to remember it from somewhere.

Michael Frazier
5 posted on 06/19/2005 7:26:59 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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6 posted on 06/19/2005 7:27:04 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: brazzaville

anarchist


7 posted on 06/19/2005 7:27:50 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl
If this Home Depot were used by American citizens to buy boot-legged cigarettes or booze, the ATF would be all over them with guns and handcuffs for not paying the proper taxes.
8 posted on 06/19/2005 7:28:54 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Home Depot said in a statement it does not support illegal immigration but can't stop workers from standing near its stores.


10 posted on 06/19/2005 7:34:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: occutegirl

Home Depot says it can't stop workers from standing near its stores, not true;

The home depot near where I live there are many illegal immigrants out on the property premise, and not just nearby off of their property as they claim here.

The shopping center has hired a full time security guardnot keep the illegal immigrants away, but just to police to keep them from defecating, drinking, breaking into cars or other crimes that have been occurring as a result of the lawlessness these people bring.

In a twist to make ones blood boil, I actually witnessed the security guard at the shopping center, who he himself may even be an illegal immigrant threaten a US citizen one day to remove a bicycle which the had been parked in front of the store. He told the patron to park the bike out in the street on public property where there were dozen of other bicycles parked by the illegal immigrants. So not only are they allowing these illegal immigrants to be on their property they taking away the rights US citizens who would shop at these stores as if we had the same status of an illegal immigrant!

This home depot has turned our neighborhood into nothing more than a -red light district-, satellite community of Tijuana!


12 posted on 06/19/2005 7:45:34 AM PDT by seastay
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To: Brad's Gramma

ping


13 posted on 06/19/2005 7:48:03 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl
"Home Depot said in a statement it does not support illegal immigration but can't stop workers from standing near its stores."

Not only does it support Illegal Aliens, it also openly supports one of the biggest Anti-American/Anti-non-Mexican organizations around,"La Raza".And the only reason it even comes out with "We support the Troops" stunts is because it is trying to cover up it's anti-American policies(Remember the Libs also use the "We support the Troops", line).

14 posted on 06/19/2005 7:48:42 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican (Americans hire Americans. Traitors hire illegals.)
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To: occutegirl
Very interesting. The Loons are claiming that the conservatives are racist hate groups yet I saw only Chicano y Chicana faces in our side but I sure saw a lot of wild butt honkies on the other side.
16 posted on 06/19/2005 7:56:09 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: brazzaville

"From the pictures, I would say this was more a case of communists and Mexican racialists protesting than immigrants."

I agree, the sad thing is that this movement is gaining popularity because they are using deception by the race card. These people want to force out landowners out and business out of the state by raising property taxes, and other taxes to re- distribute wealth as to be providing a type of marxwst service to the peasants from Mexico.

They make the rally cry that these people have full right to our wealth, which cannot be oppressed since they hide behind race as the false issue. When any US citizen do oppose this political takeover we are called racist which further incites more blind support on the socialists side, whom are really the ones that are the racists since they only want the distribution of wealth to people of only one skin color.

We should not be so naïve to think that communists from Cuba, or our other enemies, China, North Korea, or the Soviets are supporting this growing movement. Just remember how we took control of Afghanistan, we used the ethic movement to infiltrate control,not directly ourselves alone, we must be certain our enemies are trying these same tactics here on US soil. In any case, speculation put aside, our people need to wake up to this growing threat we have to our economic freedom in this democratic country !


18 posted on 06/19/2005 8:15:29 AM PDT by seastay
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To: mizmoutarde

yes


19 posted on 06/19/2005 8:16:50 AM PDT by seastay
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To: seastay

They don't have to go to the other communist countries for support, Mexico and the PRI is controled by those that rely on Mao's little red book as their bible.

Mexico is and has been for decades a communist country in all but name.


20 posted on 06/19/2005 8:30:15 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: occutegirl
Good morning.
"anarchist"

Only the young window-breaker foot soldiers are anarchists. The leaders and organizers are communists who are using the racialists and DemocRATs to bring about the fall of the USA.

I believe the red and black flag was flown by La Raza and the supporters of the Sandinista regime.

Michael Frazier
21 posted on 06/19/2005 8:33:29 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: occutegirl
Statement: "Protesters on both sides of immigration debate face off in Alhambra"

Response: This headline expresses the very essence of the problem. "Debate," "Discussion," "The expression of different points of view!" The West will be an example of the only Civilization in history that was talked to death.

22 posted on 06/19/2005 8:37:43 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: truthkeeper
Now I don't even recognize the town I grew up in.

My home town, a southern CA beach town in Los Angeles, is becoming unrecognizable too, along with all the surrounding towns. Orange County is becoming Mexico too, lots of illegal alien Mexicans with no oranges to pick.

24 posted on 06/19/2005 10:03:36 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: occutegirl
Thanks for posting the pictures, OC. They tell the story of what's coming to all the other states.

The MECHA types really believe that the southwest belongs to them. Their sense of entitlement is huge, and their behavior is disgusting.

I think it's time that the Governor speaks up and sets the record straight about illegal immigration in California . He won't, and that's part of the problem. He and the other politicians are too busy kissing up to the hispanic lobby, and are afraid of speaking up for the citizens of this state.

25 posted on 06/19/2005 10:10:44 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

It would be nice if our President could buy a clue too, but I gave up on that long ago.


26 posted on 06/19/2005 11:36:13 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Graybeard58

Regarding Home Depot, see this:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/003226.html

They're paying a lobbyist $10,000 a month to lobby the L.A. City Council about day laborer sites. And, a councilman proposed an ordinance that all big box hardware stores should have day laborer sites. Hmmm....

Regarding the Communist agitators, the key here is the news media. Eventually the true nature of the opposition will come out, and I doubt whether the media will want to end up looking like Walter Duranty. So, write to the sources that covered this and suggest that covering up for these groups is a bad long-term strategy.


27 posted on 06/19/2005 12:44:18 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: mizmoutarde
I can't imagine how galling this whole illegal immigration thing must be to people with Mexican ancestors who've been here for generations, or who have migrated here legally.

I've heard them when they call into talk radio. They ARE angry!!!

28 posted on 06/19/2005 12:46:42 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: janetgreen


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29 posted on 06/19/2005 1:17:29 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl

bumping - Great job!


30 posted on 06/19/2005 2:16:20 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: occutegirl

BTTT for later...


31 posted on 06/19/2005 4:40:52 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: mizmoutarde
From what I have observed from their literature and online rantings, it seems that a lot of these Hispanic groups are VERY racist and look down on anyone who is not Hispanic.

Well, actually, "Hispanic" (pertaining to ancient Hispania, the Roman name for Spain) is a misnomer used only in the U.S. but not in Mexico. These people do NOT consider themselves "Hispanic".

They consider themselves MesoAmerican Indians and they hate the conquerors from Hispania just as much, if not more so, than they hate the conquerors from Britannia.

La cultura Nahuatl del Mexika is oriental in nature and style, and not Hispanic. Hernan Cortez was a Hispanic. The Hispanic language is a slave language, as is El Ingles. The new Black Africans were enslaved on plantations, La Raza on haciendas, and in the 21st Century we are enslaved in barrios and prisons. The new Africans were forced to speak English and punished severely if they were caught speaking their native tongue. Mexicanos were doubly enslaved. Presently, South Aztlan (the Holy Land) is ruled by torocoyoris (traidores) who call themselves El Partido Revolucionario Institucional (PRI); and North Aztlan (where we presently find ourselves), is under the political and military (borders) occupation of U.S. imperialism very much the same way historically that France was occupied by the Germans. Two Aztlans. Yes, mi Raza, we live under the color of two Aztlans. Once there were two Vietnams. Now there is one Vietnam -- free, and armed with its historical spirituality. Un dia, una manana - - Aztlan libre!

32 posted on 06/19/2005 5:15:28 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: occutegirl; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; ...

Save Our State members say they are not against immigrants. Some of them are immigrants themselves. They accused Home Depot support illegal immigrants by allowing undocumented laborers to stand outside their stores (and wait for day labor jobs).
33 posted on 06/19/2005 8:29:06 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: DTogo
If this Home Depot were used by American citizens to buy boot-legged cigarettes or booze, the ATF would be all over them with guns and handcuffs for not paying the proper taxes.

Imagine if dozens of people routinely congregated outside of gun stores and gun shows to sell illegal firearms out of the trunks of cars. The ATF would attack them with flame throwers.

If the ATF and the ICE swapped agents, every illegal alien in America would be arrested, deported or shot in one month.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 8:39:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
If the ATF and the ICE swapped agents, every illegal alien in America would be arrested, deported or shot in one month.

Or swapped testicles, if the ICE has any to swap.

35 posted on 06/19/2005 8:42:02 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; occutegirl


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

36 posted on 06/19/2005 8:44:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

bttt


37 posted on 06/19/2005 8:45:31 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

Swapping ICE-Cubes...I like it...

38 posted on 06/19/2005 8:53:35 PM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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"Home Depot said in a statement it does not support illegal immigration but can't stop workers from standing near its stores."

Yeah, right. If the KKK or Aryan Resistance or some such group were standing near their stores, they could darn well stop them.

39 posted on 06/19/2005 9:03:41 PM PDT by Nea Wood (A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. Proverbs 13:22)
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To: Happy2BMe; occutegirl
occutegirl xlnt job ! I lived in San Clemente and in Laguna Niguel during early 1990s. Even then the "change" was quite a shock from my earlier time in L.A. in the late 1960s. I haven't been back since leaving in 1995 but I do remember how it was...and how it must be now.

First thanks to B. Clinton, and now thanks to W Bush...13 years, going on 16--of open borders, amnesty for all, and soon comming -- a bankrupt nation.

Happy2BMe ~I would've missed this if you hadn't linked. thanks


40 posted on 06/19/2005 9:06:17 PM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: seastay

Always ask to see their guard card


41 posted on 06/19/2005 9:37:09 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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CW2 Ping

(From the SOS release. Note especially the police taking the side of the violent communist illegal alien invaders.)

This is what happened:

Three weeks prior to the rally I contacted the Alhambra PD to notify them of our organizations intent and what to expect in terms of opposition, largely based on what happened in Baldwin Park.

Over the past two weeks I had 4 detailed phone calls with the Alhambra PD, giving them all the information I had on our opposition and my opinions on how this should be handled based on our recent events. These conversations seemed to be completely productive and I had several assurances that the Alhambra PD was going to be on the ball and would do their very best to keep order and protect our rights.

I had an agreement with the Alhambra PD to take the southern side of the main entrance. When we showed up early to take that spot, several radical protestors of the Indy Media ilk were already there and began sceaming at us the moment they saw us approaching. They had bullhorns, alcohol on their breath and an overwhelming stench of body odor emanating from them.

Right from the get-go, were were surrounded, screamed at with bullhorns, shoved, had a couple of signs stolen and broken and all not more than 25 feet from police who completely failed to intervene. When I pursued one individual who broke a sign and stole it, I asked an officer to take action. He condescendingly responded that that he didn't see it and to go talk to the Lieutenant in charge. I consulted her, a Lt. Lopez who absolutely astounded me with her condescension, total lack of interest and clear intent to do nothing. I asked her if being surrounded by hostile, drunken protestors screaming at us with bullhorns at point blank range at excessive noise levels, enough to damage a person's hearing, is illegal she said, "No they have their rights too". This floored me. She refused to do ANYTHING about this situation.

The harrassment continued unabated. Me and two others were completely surrounded and followed everywhere we went. We could not get to the curb or display our signs while being assailed in this way. This was far worse than anything I saw in Baldwin Park in terms of a mob mentality and violation of one's personal space.

Because we could not assemble at the agreed spot that the police assured me we'd have, things continued to escalate to the point where the abusive behavior of these animals was so excessive I was ready to risk going to jail by going berserk and retaliating in a violent manner, which I felt was completely justified. We were threatened and abused with the most vile rhetoric, shoving, some were spit on apparently. The noise level was deafening.

By now our members were being separated by growing numbers of counterdemonstrators who were equally as hostile as all the others. The situation deteriorated quickly while the police ignored it all. Fed up, I called the officer at the department who I had been speaking with for the past two weeks and read him the riot act, telling him his officers were failing to live up to their obligations. To my astonishment the officer said that ever since the Baldwin Park rally the "climate had changed" and that this was what we should expect. Frustrated that I was getting nowhere I ended the call.

About 20 minutes later the police realized things were really out of control and decided to separate us and seething crowd of lunatics around us. The police had to make a clearing for us to get through and as we proceeded down the sidewalk I was assaulted by a raving madman who clawed me in the stomach and shouted incoherently. Out of instinct I knocked his hand away, got in his face and was ready to retaliate when the mob converged around me. I called an officer to get involved and the officer merely looked the other way. It was incredible.

More police arrived to separate the groups but it was not until nearly 10 AM that things started to have some semblance of order. I tried to debate a couple of the more rational opponents and actually was able to come to terms with one of them who said he had a better understanding of what we were about but still believed there were racists among us.

I also spoke to both the former Mayor and the current Mayor. The former Mayor I have known for some time and although he seem dissapointed in my involvement with SoS he tried understanding my point of view.

The mob raged for the next two hours, insults kept coming, ranting and raving, making no sense. I got my hand at a bullhorn lecture to the opposing mobsters and for a few minutes I felt powerful. Even the cop in front of me gave me a nod of approval. I did a couple of quick interviews with La Opinion and a college newspaper, had a few more exchanges with some dickheads on the other side and enjoyed seeing the utter dismay of the Home Depot employees in the parking lot.

We got escorted back to our vehicles in groups. I gave one parting gesture to the mob, which wasn't the most affectionate and departed with a few others. We met for lunch and discussed the days events. All agreed that the police were completely ineffective and defiant.

I cannot emphasize how vile this mob was. I had people in my face with foul, alcoholic breath, yellowed teeth, spittle flying from their mouths, screaming horrendous obscenities. This crowd is truly composedbof primitive scum.

Under any other circumstance, the abuse these animals showed would have been met with a violent response but I used every bit of restraint I had in me. I have decided I will not side with this level of restraint ever again. The police failed us. I relied upon them to do what was necessary in these situations and they refused to do their jobs. The next time a megaphone is jammed in my ear or someone reaches out to grab me, fists are going to fly - cops or no cops.

Emails to the Alhambra Police are encouraged. I will be calling the Alhambra PD on Monday to let them know my thoughts on this fiasco.

Expect more pictures and some videos soon. www.saveourstate.org

42 posted on 06/19/2005 10:17:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
He condescendingly responded that that he didn't see it and to go talk to the Lieutenant in charge. I consulted her, a Lt. Lopez who absolutely astounded me with her condescension, total lack of interest and clear intent to do nothing.

Evidently the Lieutenant in charge, a Lt. Lopez received her promotion due to diversity and not her IQ.

43 posted on 06/19/2005 10:29:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Travis McGee

bump


44 posted on 06/19/2005 10:30:27 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Travis McGee
I looked at the videos posted by occutegirl and watched those punks getting right into people's faces, say F U, etc. It was also impossible not to notice the cops standing around with smirks on their faces, doing nothing.

I'm glad I was not there. Had I been, and had those people got in my face like that, I would now be in jail. You did the right thing by avoiding a lose/lose situation.

My guess is the L.A. Mayor-elect Villaprovocator has every Police Chief in the L.A. area (Appointed by City Councils) running scared. It doesn't take rocket man to see what's coming, and coming soon.

The only way I see to take this on is with massive numbers. South Calif CITIZENS can either get out in the streets and particpate, or--in a very short time--they will be run out of their homes, and out of the state.

GAME OVER

45 posted on 06/19/2005 10:59:06 PM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: Travis McGee
[ If the ATF and the ICE swapped agents, every illegal alien in America would be arrested, deported or shot in one month. ]

LoL...

46 posted on 06/19/2005 11:01:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis McGee, the time is fast aproaching when violence is bound to happen during a confrontation such as you endured. Because Kalifornicate is so anti gun I suggest carrying a leather pouch about 6" long and 2" in diameter with a drawstring long enough to encircle your wrist. Fill it with dimes or nickels and have it in your pocket readily available. If arrested you just claim it is your coin purse. There was a case a few years back about a kid in prison being beaten to death by another inmate who had a bar of soap in a sock. It supposedly didn't leave many bruises. Best of luck, thanks for your (and the others in SOS)courage, watch your back!

Joebob


47 posted on 06/19/2005 11:03:52 PM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis McGee, the time is fast aproaching when violence is bound to happen during a confrontation such as you endured. Because Kalifornicate is so anti gun I suggest carrying a leather pouch about 6" long and 2" in diameter with a drawstring long enough to encircle your wrist. Fill it with dimes or nickels and have it in your pocket readily available. If arrested you just claim it is your coin purse. There was a case a few years back about a kid in prison being beaten to death by another inmate who had a bar of soap in a sock. It supposedly didn't leave many bruises. Best of luck, thanks for your (and the others in SOS)courage, watch your back!

Joebob


48 posted on 06/19/2005 11:04:36 PM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: Travis McGee
[ 1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass. ]

Wrong word.. insurgents is what they are..
Insurgents planning insurrection..

Invasion is what armys do..

49 posted on 06/19/2005 11:05:22 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: JoeBob

Sorry about the double reply. I quess I'm too fast on the button.


50 posted on 06/19/2005 11:07:31 PM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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