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The Last of the Jewish Farmgirls
NY Times ^ | June 22, 2005 | Andy Newman

Posted on 06/22/2005 5:18:21 AM PDT by Pharmboy


Jane Therese for The New York Times

Lillian Greenblatt Braun in the Alliance Colony cemetery.

PITTSGROVE, N.J. - Lillian Greenblatt Braun's 100th birthday party-cum-homecoming began, appropriately enough, with a trip to the graveyard.

Leaning on a niece's arm in the bright sunshine on a recent Sunday, Mrs. Braun walked along the tombstones in the cemetery of the old Jewish agricultural colony of Alliance, deep in southern New Jersey.

"That's my mother," she said, pausing at a stone inscribed in English and Hebrew. "Here's Uncle Benny." The next plot was a blank patch of grass. "Yes, and I'm here."

The niece, Merle Greenblatt Zucker, caught Mrs. Braun's hand. "But you're not here," she said. "You can't go. You're our only connection."

She is indeed. Mrs. Braun, a petite, indomitable woman with wide blue eyes, appears to be the lone surviving native of the Alliance Colony, making her a vital link to an important but largely buried part of American Jewish history.

In the 1880's, pogroms and anti-Semitic laws in Russia caused a historic exodus of Jews. Most ended up crowded into tenements in American cities. But some Jewish thinkers urged their brethren, as one of them wrote, "to become tillers of the soil and thus shake off the accusation that we were petty mercenaries living upon the toil of others." And so hundreds of Jews established agricultural colonies on land bought for them by charities and philanthropists.

The odds were against them. Often the land was unyielding. The settlers, mostly tradesman or scholars, were ill prepared for a life of clearing tree stumps and birthing calves. (snip)

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: farmlife; immigration; whattacountryamerica
Just another illustration of how great this country is. And, a bit of 19th Century American history for those interested.

For one hundred years old, she looks pretty good (I hope Bill Clinto doesn't see this picture).

1 posted on 06/22/2005 5:18:22 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

American Jewish Agricultural Colonies

2 posted on 06/22/2005 5:30:07 AM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: SJackson
Thanks for your link, SJ.

I went to school in NYC with a Jewish kid who grew up on a farm in Vineland, NJ, but his parents came here from Poland in the late 1930s rather than during the 19th Century.

3 posted on 06/22/2005 5:36:55 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Pharmboy
But some Jewish thinkers urged their brethren, as one of them wrote, "to become tillers of the soil and thus shake off the accusation that we were petty mercenaries living upon the toil of others."

A wise man. That was, and still is to some degree, the Jewish stereotype. I had never heard of a Jewish farmer until this.

4 posted on 06/22/2005 5:38:57 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Pharmboy

My uncle's mother passed away a few months ago at the age of 100 1/2.


5 posted on 06/22/2005 5:40:00 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Pharmboy

Jewish farmers and black hockey-players... now those are REAL minorities.


6 posted on 06/22/2005 5:45:23 AM PDT by johnny7 (How often does a '47 Rodham require servicing?)
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To: Pharmboy

Yeah, she's 3800 years younger than his last object of desire.


7 posted on 06/22/2005 5:50:39 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: Pharmboy
What an interesting, enlightening, and heartwarming story. Thanks for posting. I was amused by this last paragraph:

As the testimonials rolled on, two of Mrs. Braun's 22 great-grandchildren wriggled in a chair next to her. She raised her eyebrows. "I'm going to smack you," she whispered, pointing a crooked finger. The boys stopped squirming. Mrs. Braun beamed.

8 posted on 06/22/2005 5:54:04 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Jabba the Nutt

LOL! Too true, too true...


9 posted on 06/22/2005 6:06:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

My grandfather grew up on a farm in northern Alberta in the 1920s and my grandmother's family lived for a time on a farm in Manitoba. There were a lot more Jewish farmers in Canada then America. It's because the Canadian government forced many Jewish immigrants (and other immigrants) to live in small rural northern communities, especially in Manitoba and Alberta (and for a very short time Cape Breton), to try to settle the north. The plan in general was a huge failure, but you've got a couple small communities of farmers in parts of rural Canada which were, or still are, entirely Jewish.


10 posted on 06/22/2005 7:18:23 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Pharmboy

Great article. Just printed it out to show my dad and some other alte kockers


11 posted on 06/22/2005 8:20:43 AM PDT by dennisw (See the primitive wallflower freeze, When the jelly-faced women all sneeze)
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To: Alexander Rubin

Didn't the Bronfman family start their liquor business in Alberta? Perhaps Saskatchewan?


12 posted on 06/22/2005 8:23:39 AM PDT by dennisw (See the primitive wallflower freeze, When the jelly-faced women all sneeze)
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To: dennisw

Paraphrased from Wikipedia: Sam Bronfman was one of eight children of Mindel and Ekiel Bronfmam (born in Soroki, Bessarabia). His parents immigrated to Wapella, Saskatchewan in 1889, but soon moved to Brandon, Manitoba. In 1903, the family bought a small hotel business, and Samuel, noting that much of the profit was in alcoholic beverages. As a result, he established the Distillers Corporation in 1924 in Montreal.

So good call. They apparenty were from Saskathewan and Manitoba. At least, that's where the kids (including Sam) grew up.


13 posted on 06/22/2005 8:48:09 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

"A wise man. That was, and still is to some degree, the Jewish stereotype. I had never heard of a Jewish farmer until this."

There were many Jewish farmers in Eastern Europe, for example my paternal grandfathers side who emigrated from the Bukowina district in the Carpathian Mountain foothills. There were many others through what is now Poland, Romania, Ukraine, Beylorussia, Russia, etc.


14 posted on 06/22/2005 8:52:31 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az

I know some older Jews whose families had farms in the Catskills. The original Woodstock took place on Max Yasgur's upstate farm and Yasgur was Jewish


15 posted on 06/22/2005 8:56:44 AM PDT by dennisw (See the primitive wallflower freeze, When the jelly-faced women all sneeze)
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To: Pharmboy

I thought this was a singles ad...


16 posted on 06/22/2005 8:58:34 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: adam_az

Yeah, he's never heard of Tevyeh?

Incidentally, one of the big reasons there were so few Jewish farmers was of course the fact that there were not allowed to own land in the old country. That'll put a hitch in the development of agrarian skills.


17 posted on 06/22/2005 8:59:25 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

but they weren't really farmers, the common word was "peasants"


18 posted on 06/22/2005 9:00:19 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

"Incidentally, one of the big reasons there were so few Jewish farmers was of course the fact that there were not allowed to own land in the old country."

They tended to be landless farmers, serfs who leased the land they farmed.


19 posted on 06/22/2005 9:02:15 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; johnny7
I had never heard of a Jewish farmer until this.

Jewish farmers and black hockey-players... now those are REAL minorities.

You're both forgetting your Jewish history. Biblical Israel was highly agricultural and a great deal of Halakhah deals with agricultural matters, tithes, sacrifices,offerings, etc. These laws are still studied in minute detail by even the most urban Orthodox Jews.

Of course, the strange fact is that this aspect of Judaism is not looked upon as "Jewish" but as simply part of our common religious heritage. It's this de-Judaification of the Bible and de-Biblicization of the Jews that lies at the heart of much of our modern dilemma.

20 posted on 06/22/2005 9:13:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki leKhalev natati 'et Chevron, ki ruach 'acheret hayetah `immo.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

http://www.jbuff.com/c031804.htm

In... 1900, there were 5,737,372 farms in America and the average farm had 146 acres. Since then, the average farm size has increased enormously as corporate farming has displaced the farm families of earlier years.

Among these farmers were Jewish immigrants from Russia. Thus, in 1884, the British Lord Moses Montefiore sponsored a group called Am Olam (Eternal People), which established seven Jewish agricultural colonies in Kansas. These communities were called Beersheba, which already existed for two years, Lasker, Montefiore, Leeser, Touro, Gilead and Hebron.

Beersheba was the first of these colonies founded in 1882. They built sod houses, sod synagogues and schools in which children studied during the day and adults at night.

By the spring of 1883, Beersheba had more than 200 acres in production. Nevertheless, the community failed in 1886 because creditors reclaimed their livestock and their tools.

Then the newly founded Hebrew Union Agricultural Society assisted Eastern European Jews to establish agricultural careers. Other states also participated in this experiment, including Utah, Colorado, North Dakota, Oregon and Michigan. There was also a Jewish agricultural settlement in Sicily Island, Louisiana which a flood wiped out and there was a Jewish agricultural settlement in Oregon which was liquidated for debt in 1882.

The Ad Olam group had hoped to establish a home for the Jewish people fleeing the Russian Empire by the thousands and, after the accession of Alexander III to the throne of Russia in 1881, by the millions. Alexander III was a vicious bigot who blamed the murder of his father on “the Jews” because the killer, not at all Jewish, had a Jewish girlfriend.

Montefiore was another Kansas agricultural settlement begun by Jewish immigrants in 1884. The colony included 15 families. Yet drought defeated this colony as well, as many of its members moved to Lasker, which had been founded in 1885. Yet, by 1890, even Lasker was abandoned because drought had made farming impossible.

Both Gilead and Hebron had somewhat more success. Both colonies lasted from 1886 until 1895, when all the Jewish families had left. Jewish farming in Kansas came to an end by the beginning of the twentieth century. Today, there are a number of Jews in Kansas who descend from these farmers. Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania was born in Kansas.


21 posted on 06/22/2005 9:15:50 AM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

LOL! I knew someone would just HAVE to 'correct' me.


22 posted on 06/22/2005 9:23:37 AM PDT by johnny7 (How often does a '47 Rodham require servicing?)
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To: johnny7
LOL! I knew someone would just HAVE to 'correct' me.

Sorry, but you asked for it. And as a Noachide who basically wants to undo the past two thousand years and reinstitute the Biblical world, who better to do it than me?

Besides, all that Lithuanian shtetl nostalgia gets in the way.

23 posted on 06/22/2005 9:29:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki leKhalev natati 'et Chevron, ki ruach 'acheret hayetah `immo.)
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To: hlmencken3; Alexander Rubin

Thanks for the education, and just when I thought I knew everything. That was very interesting. It also shows human hubris and stupidity, re the banks conficating the means by which their loans could be repaid, are nothing new.


24 posted on 06/22/2005 10:33:31 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Of course, the strange fact is that this aspect of Judaism is not looked upon as "Jewish" but as simply part of our common religious heritage. It's this de-Judaification of the Bible and de-Biblicization of the Jews that lies at the heart of much of our modern dilemma.

Thanks for the info. It is not my failing memory so much as it is not being exposed to all that. The history as told in the Old Testament I ignored as too far in the past to be relevant, reflecting instead on my own experience.

25 posted on 06/22/2005 10:49:15 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: adam_az
There were many Jewish farmers in Eastern Europe, for example my paternal grandfathers side who emigrated from the Bukowina district in the Carpathian Mountain foothills. There were many others through what is now Poland, Romania, Ukraine, Beylorussia, Russia, etc.

I suppose my stereo is much more modern. In the years of yore most of the population was rural so it seems natural that Jews would be part of that. However, Jews seem to be such excellent businessmen it is natural to think of them in that role.

26 posted on 06/22/2005 10:52:03 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

It's an easy stereotype to make. More Jews end up as professionals (lawyers, doctors, accountants) than businessmen, though. ;)

You tend to find Jews all over doing all sorts of things, despite small numbers (I think there's only 13 million left in all the world). All parts of the political spectrum, all occupations and all over the world. My family, for example, has a large number of doctors, lawyers and soldiers (with, it seems, a particular aptitude for officers in field intelligence, and heavy weapon deployment)


27 posted on 06/22/2005 11:45:27 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: oldleft

LOL!


28 posted on 06/22/2005 12:57:03 PM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: johnny7

LOL! Good point.


29 posted on 06/22/2005 1:02:35 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

"As a result, he established the Distillers Corporation in 1924 in Montreal.

"So good call."

Good for him of course. But not for those poor souls to whom he sold this poison.


30 posted on 06/22/2005 1:05:25 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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Only one Jewish Indian Chief

FROM the earliest contact between North American Indians and white European settlers, the Europeans held the upper hand. Almost unremittingly, the Europeans imposed their idea of private ownership of land on the Native Americans, obtaining it from them by purchase, stealth and war. Virtually every Indian tribe in North America found its contacts with white settlers painful, if not fatal, and few Indians trusted or respected, much less loved, the white men and women they knew.

One exception to this generalization was Solomon Bibo, a white trader who won the trust and affection of the Acoma Pueblo Indians of New Mexico. In 1888, "Don Solomono," as he was known to the Acomas, became governor of the Acoma Pueblo, the equivalent of chief of the tribe. Remarkably, the Acomas asked the United States to recognize Bibo as their leader. Even more remarkable is that Bibo was a Jew.

Solomon Bibo was born in Prussia in 1853, the sixth of eleven children. In 1866, two of Solomon's brothers ventured to America and settled in New Mexico, which in 1848 had become part of the United States after being first a Spanish colony and then part of Mexico. Initially, the older Bibo brothers worked for the Spiegelberg family, pioneer Jewish merchants in New Mexico, but moved on to the tiny village of Ceboletta, where they set up a trading post to exchange goods with the Navajos. In 1869, at the age of sixteen, Solomon Bibo left Germany for America. After spending some months on the East coast learning English, he joined his brothers in Ceboletta.

All three Bibo brothers developed reputations for fairness in their dealings with the local Indian tribes, who used to bring the Bibos the farm produce they grew. In turn, the Bibo's, under contract to the U. S. government, supplied the army forts in the area with this produce. The Indians were paid a fair price by the Bibo's, which encouraged the Indians to improve their farming techniques. The Bibos also became deeply involved in mediating the many disputes over land ownership that arose between the Indians and the Mexican residents of the area, who for centuries had coveted the Indians' lands. They also tried to intercede with local white Americans (Anglos) who tried to purchase Indian lands at below market prices. The Bibos were considered pro-Indian and were not particularly embraced by either the Mexicans or their fellow Anglos.

None of the Bibos became more endeared to the Indians than Solomon was to the Acomas. In 1882, he arrived at the pueblo and set up a trading post. He learned Queresan, the Acoma language, and helped the tribe fight its legal battles to restore its traditional lands. By treaty in 1877, the Acomas had been granted 94,000 acres of land by the U.S. government, far less than the Indians thought they were entitled to according to historical evidence. The Acomas were determined that they should lose no more than had already slipped through their hands.

To accomplish this end, in 1884 the tribe decided to offer Bibo a 30 year lease to all their land, in exchange for which he would pay them $12,000, protect their cattle, keep squatters away and mine the coal under the Acoma lands, for which he would pay the tribe a royalty of ten cents per ton for each ton extracted. Pedro Sanchez, the U.S. Indian agent from Santa Fe, learned of the deal and, jealous of the success of the "rico Israelito" (rich Jew), tried to get the federal government to void the lease..

The Bibo family fought back. Simon Bibo petitioned the Board of Indian Commissioners in Washington to the effect that his brother Solomon's "intentions with the Indians are of the best nature and beneficial to them - because the men, women and children love him as they would a father and he is in the same manner attached to them." In 1888, convinced finally that Bibo had acted honorably, the Indian agent for New Mexico wrote, "To the people of the pueblo of Acoma, having confidence in the ability, integrity and fidelity of Solomon Bibo. . I hereby appoint [him] governor of said pueblo."

In 1885, Solomon married an Acoma woman, Juana Valle, granddaughter of his predecessor as governor of the Acoma Pueblo. Juana was originally a Catholic, but observed the Jewish faith and raised her children as Jews. In 1898, wanting their children to receive a Jewish education, Solomon and Juana relocated to San Francisco, where he invested in real estate and opened a fancy food shop. Their oldest son was bar mitzvah at San Francisco's Ohabei Shalome, and the younger attended religious school at Temple Emanuel. Solomon Bibo died in 1934, Juana in 1941. Solomon Bibo, governor of the Acomas, America's only known Jewish Indian chief, is buried with his Indian princess in the Jewish cemetery in Colma, California.

31 posted on 06/22/2005 1:15:18 PM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Thanks for the info. It is not my failing memory so much as it is not being exposed to all that. The history as told in the Old Testament I ignored as too far in the past to be relevant, reflecting instead on my own experience.

That's the point. The "old testament" must become relevant and the experience of the past two thousand years must be shown to be an anomaly in Jewish history.

32 posted on 06/22/2005 1:23:55 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki leKhalev natati 'et Chevron, ki ruach 'acheret hayetah `immo.)
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To: Baraonda

I meant more that he grew up in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. The poster I was responding to was spot on regarding that. As to selling alcohol, I'm not opposed to its selling or moderate drinking, though I can see and sympathize where you're coming from. Being a brewer or distiller is not a 100% immoral occupation however.


33 posted on 06/22/2005 1:25:54 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

Rome IS eternal.

In hoc signo vinces.


34 posted on 06/22/2005 1:47:12 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda

Rome's legend is eternal. It's heroes renown is immortal. But Rome, and Romans, are dead, buried and gone. Just as all things will be. Even, I hate to say it, America eventually. But, again like all things, it'll rise again, greater than before.

And personally, I like my school's motto. "Deo Legi Regi Gregi." God, Law, King, People.

http://www.ukings.ns.ca/uimages/kings_crest.gif


35 posted on 06/22/2005 2:03:28 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
I know you are right. I have often noticed the presence of Jews in the high brain power field.

I grew up in the South, a land renowned for prejudice, and attended schools which drew students for all over the city, rich and poor. I was aware than many of my friends were Jews only years later when traveled beyond my home environment and started to realize that certain names frequently indicated the person was a Jew. As I reflected on the people I knew in school I realized many were Jews and none were poor, reflecting their families livelihood. You are correct in they were a mixture of doctors, lawyers, and merchants.

The amusing thing about my memories is that I never viewed them through a prism of stereotype because I didn't know they were Jews. They were all just like the rest of us. Although in retrospect, a few did fit the stereotype, even if I didn't know it, and none of us reacted to them as such.

36 posted on 06/23/2005 10:50:11 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

It's our mothers. There's a Jewish joke that goes "Every Jewish mother wants her son to grow up to be a doctor. If he's a bit stupid, a lawyer. If he's completley retarded, she'll settle for accountant."

Lots of social pressure to be a professional. That's all it is. That, and a high social value placed on academic excellence and hair-splitting. ;)


37 posted on 06/23/2005 10:56:22 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin; Baraonda
Good for him of course. But not for those poor souls to whom he sold this poison.

A similar argument is made against gun manufacturers. What about Botox, a virilent toxin when improperly used? (Like by Pelosi :-))

38 posted on 06/23/2005 10:57:44 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

I have noticed the striving for achievement and acceptance and sometimes wondered if it was the result of a conditioned inferiority complex because the whole world seemed determine to kill them through the years.


39 posted on 06/23/2005 11:01:07 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Partially. But there's an ambition that is conditioned into us. Not really an inferiority complex (that manifests itself more as the fear that neo nazi in the right wing are going to start burning our homes at any moment like they did in the past. Much more prevalent in the older generation. Hence why more and more Jews are moving towards the right, especially under Bush. Not in rushes, but in a steady trickle of families who pretty much say "enough hypocrisy from the left. We know the real Christians are our real friends, and have stood up for us for centuries."


40 posted on 06/23/2005 11:27:14 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The "old testament" must become relevant and the experience of the past two thousand years must be shown to be an anomaly in Jewish history.

Does the appearance on the scene of Jesus affect that?

Wouldn't we need the benefit of observation from thousands of years in the future to determine that?

41 posted on 06/23/2005 12:23:39 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Pharmboy
Gevault!.. A Jewish Pig Farm Princess...

In the book of acts,,, it says Jesus sent some demons into a qorum of PIGS in the country side in Isreal.. PIGS?... in Isreal?.. says I..

It says don't eat em', not don't raise em'.. Raising pigs "IS" a business.. and the non Jews have always liked their pork.. Oh! well...

42 posted on 06/23/2005 1:18:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The "old testament" must become relevant and the experience of the past two thousand years must be shown to be an anomaly in Jewish history.

Does the appearance on the scene of Jesus affect that?

Who?

Wouldn't we need the benefit of observation from thousands of years in the future to determine that?

Nope. All we need to know is that the Torah is G-d's ultimate blueprint for Creation.

43 posted on 06/23/2005 2:14:21 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki leKhalev natati 'et Chevron, ki ruach 'acheret hayetah `immo.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I assume your answer means that you don't recognize that Jesus even existed. I don't know how you missed it, it was in all the papers.


44 posted on 06/23/2005 7:07:32 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I assume your answer means that you don't recognize that Jesus even existed. I don't know how you missed it, it was in all the papers.

So did Genghis Khan, Emperor Atahualpa, and my great grandfather, but I hardly see what their existence has to do with negating the Eternal Torah.

45 posted on 06/24/2005 6:54:17 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki leKhalev natati 'et Chevron, ki ruach 'acheret hayetah `immo.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You said that the last 2000 years were an aberration in the long Jewish history and I asked if the appearance of Jesus on the scene affected that. Your response was "Who?". If you care to overlook the obvious I, in return, don't care what you think.


46 posted on 06/24/2005 6:58:44 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
You said that the last 2000 years were an aberration in the long Jewish history and I asked if the appearance of Jesus on the scene affected that. Your response was "Who?". If you care to overlook the obvious I, in return, don't care what you think.

By referring to the past two thousand years (a rounded off figure) I was referring to the length of the current Exile and not to J*sus or any other specific figure who was around at approximately that same time.

My apologies for unintentionally offending you. -_-

47 posted on 06/24/2005 1:10:01 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki leKhalev natati 'et Chevron, ki ruach 'acheret hayetah `immo.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

My apologies for being irritated. I didn't understand your message. Thanks for the explanation.


48 posted on 06/24/2005 4:09:37 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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