Posted on 06/22/2005 3:23:45 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
"Sorry to disappoint you about life, but every man, and every woman, is prone to sin. That's why forgiveness exists. If we're all perfect -- who needs it?"
Your rationality stands out in this thread.
"dismissing it as okay"
I think very few here are "dismissing it as OK." There is simply a difference between those who believe he should be thrown over the side for all eternity and those who think it's a grievous error but one we're not prepared to condemn him for. We'll let the condemnors do that.
LOL!
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Society treats heroin addicts with more sympathy than sex and porn addicts. Many think that sexual addiction doesn't even exist that it's just an excuse to sin. There are a lot of Christian therapy groups to address the issue. The Alive Again program is one such. You can figure that out of any group of people in a church about 10% will be sexually addicted. So in a 500 member congregation 50 will have this shamful secret life. Sex addicts are also usually profoundly depressed. Check out this book: Faithful and True: Sexual Integrity in a Fallen World by Mark Laaser Ph.d and see if somebody you know might not benefit from reading it as well.
It's so easy to say that you shouldn't steal when you aren't poor. It's so easy to say that the Palestinians shouldn't kill Israelis when you aren't a Palestinian. It's easy to say that you shouldn't rape when you don't have some hot young girl teasing you and then denying you sex. Do you really believe any of those excuses? Do I really need to go on? I can play that game all day if you want.
If the standard is to be without sin before you can pass any sort of judgement on the actions of others, we better just repeal most laws because nobody is without sin and there is no law that somebody can't find some way to rationalize their way around. That's why that's not the standard, so you can put your straw man away.
And, frankly, if the life of a rock star makes adultery so inevitable, I have a simple solution -- don't be a rock star if you get married or don't get married if you want to be a rock star. Perhaps there is a reason why acting and entertaining were considered morally questionable occupations and women were, in various places and times, prohibited from those professions.
Perhaps you should try being a little more clear in your rant but if I read this correctly, you're giving us the "people in glass houses" speech. Now, I can't speak for anyone but me, but I did not condemn him. I did not offer my opinion on him. All I said is that this act committed by him changes my opinion of him. Please tell me how my comments prior to this post deserve any inclusion in your sermon on moral relativism.
None of us are without sin. I know that and believe it. That doesn't mean we should give people a pass for sinful bahavior. When we let them go, people only feel more comfortable to commit them.
What exactly makes Ted Nugent one of the good guys? Because he is an American? Because he is a rocker? Because he is a conservative? I know some conservatives who are pretty rotten people. I know some liberals who are very good and decent people.
I realize this may be difficult to deal with, but this is the reality of things. He cheated on his wife. He broke a solemn vow. Stop trying to pretend it didn't happen. Stop trying to give him a free ride.
No, we ALL don't need therapy my friend. But those who see every single thread as a place to bring up Terri, need to learn to let go.
You know it's time to let go of the Terri thing, but you just can't. It's a very unhealthy obsession.
And it certainly wasn't appropriate on this thread.
Discuss Terri on the Terri threads and join the rest of the world instead of living in Terriland.
I know that's really hard, but that's the kind of thing that separates the good husband from the great husband.
You are a real man. I mean that.
The cat ate my assignment. :-)
Yes, we all do need threapy my fellow Texan friend. It is called Jesus Christ. Who is to say bringing up Terri is innaporpriate on another thread? YOU? Somehow I doubt you are the one that makes that call. Just cause I brought her name up here does not mean I am obsessed with her. IN fact this is the first time I have brought her name up on any other thread besides the Terri ones. She is gone, I realize that. I cared for her deelpy, She touched my life in ways I cannot express to most. However, many other things I do care about as well. One being the sanctity of marriage.
Anyhow, I don't live in Terri land. You were rude to me for no reason. Just cause I brought her name up does not mean I need threapy. I seek guidance for a great many things in my life more than I have about Terri. I have a chronic illness that I spend more time getting any "mental" help for. So, why do you care if I brought her name up? Did I do something to you personally?
Again, we all need counseling/therapy for something. I guess you think you are to good for that? Your life must be perfect. Boy, I'd love to be just like you. I bet all people would.
Your holier than thou attitude will only hurt you more than other's. Usually it is the ones who go around telling other's they should get therapy are the ones who need it most.
Good luck.
"Wow. You got robbed big time."
I'm late to this thread but I have to chime in here. When someone is trashing their ex-spouse, I always remember, there's 2 sides to every story and we're only getting one side. And I'm amazed at the number of divorced people I've run into here lately. I've only been married 1 time and I have 5 kids by the same man and I'm in the minority. That's pretty sad. "no fault divorce" is trashing the American family.
That is true, the no fault divorce is terrible. It makes it easier for people to get divorce. When there was fault divorces people who thought about leaving their marriage for someone else had second thoughts and decided to stay married. Now, none of that matters and you can walk into court and tear the other parent apart after you are leaving them for someone else or for some other pathetic reason.
I sense that the frustration over this issue is from men who've gotten robbed in the court. I think 'no fault' divorce is a wicked thing. There's no such thing as a 'no fault' divorce. It's always someone's fault.
I haven't seen one divorced man who didn't think he was robbed in court, it's amazing. How does that make his kids feel, when he's complaining about the money he has to pay for their upkeep? Actually, I have seen one man, my brother. He's in the process of a divorce from his second wife, a woman 15 years his junior. He also legally adopted her little boy so now he has to pay child support for a kid that's not biologically his. He hasn't complained about it one time. He knows he made a hard bed and now he has to lie in it, no complaints.
That he messed up is obvious - that it could occur to a celebrity - constantly tempted did not astonish me. While I have been faithful I cannot say, given the length of his career and no doubt the many "opportunities" that presented themselves that I would not have failed as well. Its the 'ol walk a mile thing if you know what I mean.
I can't see throwing someone under the bus for a single transgression especially when all else points towards good character, a forgiving wife, etc. ;-) Have to post now - porch is flooding ... ;-) Not kidding!
I'm aware of all the good things he has done over the recent years and have enjoyed listening to his interviews. His advocacy for our troops, hunting, and living off the land are all things I find very commendable and honorable. But none of that means much to me now, or at least my opinion of him. Like Kobe Bryant, the mention of his name will immediately remind people that he dishonored himself, and cheated on his wife.
He can apologize, try to be a better man, and live up to the responsibilities of his actions - and he needs to do all of these. But doing so won't wash away what he did in a moment of human weakness. Only one thing can do that, and the good news is that he, like all of us, can be forgiven.
Good luck with the flooding!
I don't know. We can all forgive him, but that doesn't mean we can't lose our respect for him. Would we continue to eat a yummy plate of brownies if we found out there was a speck of dog poop in it somewhere? I doubt it. One little speck of Sh*t leaves a bad taste in my mouth for Ted. I hope the best for him, I really do. But it is going to be hard for me to look at him the same now.
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