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To: PatrickHenry

As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.


7 posted on 06/24/2005 5:09:15 AM PDT by rrr51
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To: rrr51; PatrickHenry
can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

If I were PH, I wouldn't answer such a question. The OJ Jury "had a shadow of a doubt". They were completely wrong, but they had a shadow of a doubt. PH could post to you till he's blue in the fact and no doubt you'd "have a shadow of a doubt". Check out his List-O-Links for mountains of evidence if you're truly interested.

The anti-evolutionists at the Discovery Institute and ICR have all the believability of Holocaust deniers. The handful of pseudo scientists at those places scream "EVOLUTION IS IN CRISIS" based on zero original research, as conferences gather in the Galapagos with apparently hundreds of researchers with zero doubt about the fundamental fact of evolution.

I'm not a scientist. But I can spot Intelligent Design quacks selling snake oil when I see them. Like the "Duke" and the "Dauphin" in Mark Twains Huck Finn, revival preaching and snake oil selling seem to go hand in hand.

10 posted on 06/24/2005 6:38:45 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: rrr51

Evolution has been a theory in crisis for 150 years. Its demise is emminant, just as it has been for each of those years.

Pay no attention to physics, chemistry, astronomy, paleontology, geology. They are all pseudosciences.

One aspect of evolution that has received a bit of confirmation is the age of the earth. Darwin was the first to assert that the earth was at least several hundred milion years old. At the time he made this assertion, physics pegged the maximum possible age of the sun at about 50 million years.

But that was before the discovery of radioactivity.


11 posted on 06/24/2005 6:54:26 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: rrr51
As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

That's not how science works.

17 posted on 06/24/2005 7:49:58 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: rrr51
As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I would regard two things as having been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt: deep geological time (the Earth is 4,500 million years old), and descent with modification from a common ancestor.

Mainstream science regards the mechanism for evolution to be chance plus necessity: random variation and natural selection, i.e., Darwinism. I am inclined to agree with mainstream science, but the ID theorists offer various arguments as to why this cannot be so. I regard Darwinism to have been proved but not beyond a shadow of a doubt; I respect the ID theorists but again I do not think they are correct.

19 posted on 06/24/2005 8:08:01 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: rrr51

There are no primate fossils that are more than 200 million years old.

There are no human fossils more than 5 million years old.


25 posted on 06/24/2005 8:59:22 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: rrr51
"As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Allele frequencies within a population change with time.

43 posted on 06/24/2005 9:52:21 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: rrr51
As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Nothing in science is ever stated to be true "beyond a shadow of a doubt". That isn't how science works. There is always the possibility of error, from gravity to evolution to atomics.
51 posted on 06/24/2005 10:10:43 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: rrr51
As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Scientific verification requires reproducibility of results. In the case of evolution, this may be possible, but we will never be able to carry out an experiment that will verify that one species evolved from another, simply because we don't have enough time. Of course, little bits and pieces can be verified, but the anti-evolution crowd has raised the bar so high that they wouldn't admit that evolution is a fact unless they saw one species morphing into another before there own eyes.

Science is concerned with answering the "how" questions, such as "how the eye works." Evolution, on the other hand, is concerned with answering "why" questions, such as "why do we have eyes in the first place?"

Even though I believe in Darwinism, although it may have to be tweaked a bit, like any theory, from a strict pedagogic point of view, I wonder if it should be called a scientific endeavor. It seems more like detective work, carried out with scientific methods.

54 posted on 06/24/2005 10:17:07 AM PDT by rkhampton
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I understand that numerous books and articles have been written explaining how this happens.

They just had a conference with lots of professors and professional scientists working with evolution theory every day. And you think there might be some books on the subject? YA THINK?

My problem is that it has never been verified that this actually happens, i.e., the laboratory evidence and fossil record are not convincing (at least not to me).

And they couldn't convince the OJ jury either. They had their mind made up in advance with the strength of a religion. Just like you and evolution.

PH read you right off the bat alright.

Here's you in post #7: As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified

You're not open minded. You've already made up your mind and you just admited it in post #63.

What you are is a typical lying Christian. You lied about having an open mind, and merely wanting to find out information. Your post #7 was an invitation for PH to give you some information, so that you could proclaim it "unconvincing", and thus "win" your argument.

Snake oil salesmen. Every one of you.

65 posted on 06/24/2005 12:20:15 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: rrr51
I have learned many things from these posts. Post 65 taught me that Christians are liars - "Snake oil Salesman. Everyone of you." I think this may have directed at you. I've learned that Jonathan Wells and his arguments should be ignored, no matter how persuasive, because of his religious beliefs (post 99).

From the intensity of the answers to your posts, it seems clear that the fact of evolution has been established. But there remains a theoretical question. Is the massive fossil record replete with transitional forms (Darwin, Dawkins), or does it indicate stasis and sudden appearance (Gould)? Of course, this question doesn't really matter anyway, as it is merely theoretical, and might take away from an established fact.
107 posted on 06/24/2005 5:30:12 PM PDT by ChessExpert
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To: rrr51

"As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt."

None. Evolution is pseudo science with the ultimate agenda to kill God and, hence, Western culture.


119 posted on 06/24/2005 8:35:20 PM PDT by TAquinas
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To: rrr51
As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Only blind faith is without doubt.

146 posted on 06/25/2005 2:05:36 PM PDT by beavus (Hussein's war. Bush's response.)
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