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Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
National Journal ^ | June 24th 2005 | By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier

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To: ExSoldier

I'll be one of the first 15,000 unfortunately.


51 posted on 06/24/2005 11:35:29 AM PDT by Hoodlum91 (Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.)
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To: ExSoldier
That's a great read, thanks for posting. I live 14 miles from Seattle, and this story gives me some comfort in knowing the family would most likely survive if Seattle was a target, as long as we take precautions against fallout

Then again - why would terrorist want to take out anti-war central?
52 posted on 06/24/2005 11:35:45 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: ExSoldier

Sounds cheery. I'll check it out later.


53 posted on 06/24/2005 11:36:11 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Emphatically eschew exclamatory excess.)
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To: Dubyous

This is why I live 40 miles West of DC, and don't work downtown.


54 posted on 06/24/2005 11:36:58 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: Blzbba
Then, on the 6th day, every single test and data show that the nuke was a ChiComm device and was probably planted by ChiComm or ex-Soviet agents, who are laughing their asses off at America's attack on Iran.

So? Not like there is not enough to go around. We even have enough for the french problem.

55 posted on 06/24/2005 11:38:42 AM PDT by 11Bush (If the shootin' don't start soon, I'll have to mount the Ma-Duece on my wheelchair.)
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To: NavyCanDo
I was stationed at Fort Lewis. I really miss Seattle, but I was there before it got ruined by the granola crowd from Kalifornia. I wonder: Would a nuke detonation at ground level set off Mount Rainier? There's a worry for you.
56 posted on 06/24/2005 11:40:31 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: null and void
No need to stock up on anything but ammo. After all, I can take what I need from my liberal, unarmed, neighbors.
57 posted on 06/24/2005 11:41:13 AM PDT by 11Bush (If the shootin' don't start soon, I'll have to mount the Ma-Duece on my wheelchair.)
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To: ExSoldier; All
A few other random thoughts, in addition to the ones people have already posted:

I think others have speculated that the REAL doomsday scenario would be several explosions, in several large cities, on the same day. 9/11 was a coordinated attack on NY and DC. Something like that could happen. Which changes the scenario a great deal. Also, I know an electromagnetic pulse could also damage any solid state circuits, including battery-operated radios, but that would probably not be an issue in this size ground burst. I could be wrong.

I also remember hearing that somehow the US government has some kind of "sniffer" capability that would be able to trace the radiological "fingerprint" of the bomb - in other words, we could probably find out what uranium was used, and have a good idea who used it, right away. Not much comfort, obviously, if a bomb has already gone off. I'd like to believe that any country able to create such a devise would also know of this possibility of tracing, and that that would be some kind of a deterrent. But that's very wishful thinking - I don't know our capabilities, or how much an enemy would care. Certainly another crew of 9/11 crazies wouldn't care. But they have to get the uranium from somewhere.

It is terribly ironic to think that in a sense we might have more to fear from one bomb in the hands of a fanatic than we did from thousands of Soviet missiles. Certainly not because the Soviet leaders were "good people," of course - but they were RATIONAL and did not want to be annihilated. Even though they had the capability to launch a massive attack.

There are plenty of suicidal terrorists out there. So far the ONLY think that has stopped them from doing this is their inability to do so.

If they could have done it already, they would have.

Among other things, it's a reminder that a lot of people in our government, military, etc. are working harder than we realize to keep things right.
58 posted on 06/24/2005 11:41:29 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: DTogo

hey guess what? some freepers live and work there.


59 posted on 06/24/2005 11:42:14 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: ExSoldier
I still think it is stupid to house all of our national agencies headquarters in one small city.

You shouldn’t put all your eggs in one basket.

Everybody in DC knows this, but the politicians want to be able to walk over to speak to department heads or summon them on a moments notice.

60 posted on 06/24/2005 11:42:22 AM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: ExSoldier
Thank you. I bet few people wonder why their "conservative" members of our federal government seem to become "liberal" after spending time in Washington, D. C. They are stuck there in that political environment. They become like the area that surrounds them.

Here's another thought. The Constitution does not forbid moving the capital. Give the land back to the states, but retain the building and open them fully to the public under the management of the Parks Department. People exploring our rich history would strengthen our nation and rival all the theme parks in attendance.

And if these reasons alone were not enough, relocating our nations capital would spur such economic activity with people building homes, companies relocating offices, and foreign governments building new embassies in this new city that every segment of our economy would enjoy great benefit.
61 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:02 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: ExSoldier

Thanks for posting this. Scary scenario but good to read it all. We live about three miles from the White House, fortunately upwind (prevailing winds are from the west).
The house is stone, 18" thick. I used to think evacuation was the answer but now I know better. I've neglected the
three day supply aspect but intend to get on it. This needs to be read by all who live in major cities of the US.


62 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:27 AM PDT by DCMB (Bless GWB and all our troops)
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To: ExSoldier
Federal resources, civilian and military, rally under the National Response Plan. Across the country, firefighters, paramedics, police, soldiers, and volunteers are loading up their trucks and rolling toward Washington.

And at the exact moment of maximum damage while our protectors are setting up in the worst areas, Osama explodes the 2nd nuke in the Washington area.

This bomb taking out almost all emergency workers. It'll be the 2nd of 8 nukes that will be exploded in the following 6 days. The others will be in 3 other major cities, using the same MO. Kill, then kill those coming to help. And yeah, these folks have perfected the second bomb that kills the people helping.

If we underestimate the evil we're up against, we'll be destroyed. Bush gets it, but the democrats live in la la land.

Then again, maybe the dems are right and Osama just wants us to feel his pain and be his friend -- and then everything will be fine and everyone will like us. Who knows?

63 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:42 AM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: GRRRRR
Ammo, never can have enough of it...

Ammo - The monetary unit of the future.
Comes in many denominations.

64 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:56 AM PDT by ASA Vet (We have the government we deserve.)
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To: Mr. Keys; All

I am within at least fallout range of D.C. I cannot and will not evacuate for any reason. That is why I have a CBNR shelter at home. When I got the permits for it 2 years ago, I found out that I was not the only one putting in a shelter.

I have heard too much from and seen the behavior of those 'in the loop' to ignore the constant direct and indirect warnings. There is a lot to see in DC with regards to this, if you look in the right places.

A close-by nuclear blast can ruin your day!


65 posted on 06/24/2005 11:45:07 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Dubyous

Now you are a national security guru?


66 posted on 06/24/2005 11:45:21 AM PDT by xone
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To: Lexington Green

I won't be surprised...I'll be busy. I'm on our building's Evac/Shelter in Place Committee.


67 posted on 06/24/2005 11:45:40 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: GOPJ

Good point about second waves of attack.

One of the most frightening things about 9/11, which people might not remember right away, was NOT KNOWING WHEN IT WAS OVER. Not that morning, certainly. And the next days were extremely tense.

Of course, in a sense it NEVER ended . . .


68 posted on 06/24/2005 11:47:32 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: ExSoldier
This one seems reality-based.

As long as we are dealing with reality today, eminent domain and all, why not just open both eyes. One nuke [depending on yield, Hiroshima-sized being not so serious] would be disastrous, but the country would cope. Three nukes of 200 kton or more in the wrong places would ruin the country for decades. Any more than that would ruin it for a century.

The same for any other country.

69 posted on 06/24/2005 11:47:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: OnTheDress

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70 posted on 06/24/2005 11:50:05 AM PDT by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: ExSoldier

"Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C."

Step one: Don't live in or downwind of Washington, D.C.

BTW, if al-Qaeda does this, we are probably going to nuke Mecca just to make it clear that you don't pull s**t like this and get away with it.


71 posted on 06/24/2005 11:51:19 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Yo-Yo

Great episode.


72 posted on 06/24/2005 11:52:05 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81 MM Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: ExSoldier

Hello, I'm Geraldo Rivera reporting live from Washington D.C. where it appears a nuclear bomb has just gone off, we will be reporting live on the scene to get local reaction to this event. It appears there is some sort of cloud forming in the sky, not sure what it is, could it be related to the nuclear bomb explosion? you decide!

Did I tell you I'm Geraldo Rivera? reporting livvvvve!

Peace!
73 posted on 06/24/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: GOPJ
The others will be in 3 other major cities, using the same MO. Kill, then kill those coming to help.

I don't think the terrorists give a damn about first responders. Their objective is to start by killing four million Americans. They won't waste a perfectly good nuke on a site already struck. Law of Diminishing Returns. If this happens it'll be different cities across the country and at crucial choke points like the mouth of the Mississippi River or in hub cities for food and fuel distribution. And then we are well and truly in the deeeep poo poo.

Have you heard of the urban legend about the alledgedly lost suitcase nukes supposed to be already secreted here on US Soil during the cold war era? If the Jihadis buy those from some retired KGB officer.....

74 posted on 06/24/2005 11:53:59 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: cvq3842

I've read minimal EMP from a gound detonated device, so radios and cars should work.


75 posted on 06/24/2005 11:55:09 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: Dubyous
Almost feels like someone's preparing us for an inevitability they know can't be stopped.

Scary as h*ll, isn't it?
76 posted on 06/24/2005 11:59:02 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (My poor cat has a broken leg.... and a huge cast. <^..^>)
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To: ExSoldier

Supposedly the radioactive decay has damaged other bomb components to the point that they will not detonate, to old.
Supposedly.


77 posted on 06/24/2005 11:59:44 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: Recovering Hermit

LOL! Nice job finding a still of the episode!


78 posted on 06/24/2005 11:59:55 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: ExSoldier

Read "War Day" by Whitley Streiber and James Kunetka.

It's the best nuclear apocalypse story I've ever read.

The attack occurs in 1988 (this is an old book) on NYC, D.C., San Antonio, and all the missile fields in the Dakotas.

There are anti-Reagan overtones in the text, but just ignore them.

Really, really excellent book.


79 posted on 06/24/2005 12:00:09 PM PDT by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: null and void; GRRRRR
Ammo, never can have enough of it...

Ammo...can't have any of it...at least in DC....or so they say.

80 posted on 06/24/2005 12:00:23 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Porterville

Just like cockroaches, the swimmer would survive and probably declare himself king. He would be the senior balloon from the senate.


81 posted on 06/24/2005 12:00:26 PM PDT by bigj00
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To: null and void; GRRRRR
Ammo, never can have enough of it...

While it is very important to over-stock ammo for your defensive weapons, do not forget about the bricks of .22 cal.

They can be purchased in great quanity cheap and under the radar.

While it is true that these are not real useful for trading one at a time, with your enemies, they are still great for small game, and even better, they can be traded in bricks, to trusting friends for other usable goodies.

82 posted on 06/24/2005 12:01:14 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81 MM Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: Dubyous; Lexington Green
I think you forgot about the guide at the Smithsonian...the groundskeeper at the Vietnam Memorial...the elementary school field trip at the Lincoln Memorial...

The Freepers who work within sight of the White House (Ahem)

83 posted on 06/24/2005 12:01:21 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Tall_Texan
After yesterday's Supreme Court ruling, ask me if I *care* whether Washington D.C. survives a nuclear attack?

There are 4 million or so people living in the DC Metro area who have nothing to do with that decision.

Jerk.

84 posted on 06/24/2005 12:02:17 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Blzbba
The Oklahoma City bombing was a hideous crime, but it should not be used to snuff a proposal to relocate our capital to a more protective location.

A new city could be designed to limit ground attacks, like the Oklahoma City bombing, limits air strikes, and any possibility of an attack from sea. We've the best technology on the planet, and if applied with foresight, we can make a capital that can protect the nation from the turmoil that would ensue if the seat of our government were struck.

Make all transportation within the new city public transit, set airports at least 25 miles from the city with high speed rail connections into the city. Build government building with low profiles that would be less susceptible to nuclear attack. Forbid all air traffic over the city. These are just suggestions, but they would assure a much higher degree of protection then we can give our country now.
85 posted on 06/24/2005 12:05:17 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: GOPJ
This bomb taking out almost all emergency workers. It'll be the 2nd of 8 nukes that will be exploded in the following 6 days. The others will be in 3 other major cities, using the same MO. Kill, then kill those coming to help. And yeah, these folks have perfected the second bomb that kills the people helping.

The chance that terrorists get one nuke is pretty low. 8 is out of the bounds of reality.

86 posted on 06/24/2005 12:07:27 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: ExSoldier
Have you heard of the urban legend about the alledgedly lost suitcase nukes supposed to be already secreted here on US Soil during the cold war era? If the Jihadis buy those from some retired KGB officer.....

My understanding is that, without constant maintenance, nukes "go bad." You can't just bury a nuke for a decade or more and expect it to work when you dig it up.

87 posted on 06/24/2005 12:10:04 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Pete'sWife
I just read a review of this book on amazon and will buy it when I get back from our vacation to Texas in a few weeks. I would recommend another book along the same lines written in 1958 but it reads as though the threat is today. Alas Babylon by Pat Frank is awesome and moves quickly because it has some action...which according to amazon, WARDAY does not.
88 posted on 06/24/2005 12:10:54 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier; Rca2000

There is a book out there called "Life After Doomsday" (1980) by Dr. Bruce D. Clayton that has a lot of good tips for this too. Of course, at that time, it was geared more for the US/USSR nuclear war, I think it is still valid for this.


89 posted on 06/24/2005 12:10:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: conservativewasp

Thanks.

Hope we never need this information!


90 posted on 06/24/2005 12:11:10 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: ExSoldier
The Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute sees the most promise so far in a steroid called 5-Androstenediol, brand-named “Neumune” by the institute’s corporate development partner, Hollis-Eden Pharmaceuticals. Neumune requires no refrigeration, has no known side effects, and can be packaged in disposable needles like the nerve gas antidotes now issued to troops and first responders. Five injections over five days dramatically boost survival rates in animals. So far, unfortunately, that first injection has to be given within four hours of exposure, before the damage to cells outraces the capacity for regrowth. But it is probably impossible to distribute tens of thousands of stockpiled doses across a fallout zone within four hour...

OK, here's an easy, non-control freak solution -- put the stuff on the open market. Some will buy it, use it if necessary, and be healthy enough to help. Or healthy enough to stay out of the beds needed by those who didn't buy the stuff. Think generator sales in Florida. It's easier to put some of the burden/responsibility on citizens. And it'll help stop panic. When people feel they have some control over their fate, they're less likely to panic.

91 posted on 06/24/2005 12:12:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: ExSoldier

The law of diminishing returns is also possibly one reason we have not been attacked again. If you're going to die, you want the most destruction possible.

That, and the good job done by our military, police, etc.


92 posted on 06/24/2005 12:12:24 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Modernman
nukes "go bad." You can't just bury a nuke for a decade or more and expect it to work when you dig it up.

Well according to what I was taught at the US Army's school for Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare, this is true, but they can be brought back with some maintenance upgrades by a trained technician. The Jihadis have been recruiting folks like this from the Pakie nuke program. Also it might be worth it to purchase several of these suitcase nukes if only for the fissionable nuclear material they contain. That doesn't go bad.

93 posted on 06/24/2005 12:15:13 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Pete'sWife

I have read it - I remember it from a beach house one summer or something. They certainly covered a lot of different aspects.

Might make an interesting movie, but they would probably have to "dumb it down" too much.


94 posted on 06/24/2005 12:16:23 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Nowhere Man
There is a book out there called "Life After Doomsday" (1980) by Dr. Bruce D. Clayton that has a lot of good tips for this too.

Yup, I've owned this book since shortly after it was published.

95 posted on 06/24/2005 12:17:22 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Didn't we already read this back in 1985 regarding the rooskies?


96 posted on 06/24/2005 12:19:18 PM PDT by wreckedangle
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To: ExSoldier

In our Just In Time culture, the real "fallout" could be food rotting in warehouses, while millions starve to death. While reading this, my primary thought was that this whole piece describes a "best case" scenario for a nuke attack: Osmaa has one bomb - responders have training and equipment, citizens are informed, things come together quickly after the attack --- I keep thinking the real thing would be much worse.


97 posted on 06/24/2005 12:20:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for suckers.)
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To: ExSoldier
Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.

The First Minutes: 15,000 Dead

The First 30 seconds : All legislation and supreme court decisions stop growing.

98 posted on 06/24/2005 12:24:26 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (An elected Legislature can trample a man's rights as easy as a King can.)
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To: nina0113
You will need at least 90 days of food supplies in storage for each person & don't forget your pets - it will take that long to restore the food distribution chain if it is interupted.

We have 25 - 55 gallon food grade containers that had dr pepper syrup in them for storing water. I bought them for $10 buck a piece from the company that bottles the stuff here. They have been cleaned inside & out with bleach water and allowed to air dry. You need to use a white hose purchased from an RV supply place and a syphon pump to get the water out.

You also need a 72-hour pack for each person & animal containing water & food a flashlight with batteries & clothing for warmth in your pantry and ready to go in case you need to get out quickly.

99 posted on 06/24/2005 12:24:49 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: ExSoldier

Who wants D.C. to survive? It is a dangerous cancer that a Chinese nuke would be doing us a favor.


100 posted on 06/24/2005 12:27:09 PM PDT by shellshocked (BLOAT, Cache, Take Names!!!)
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