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Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival (I'm so Confused)
Yahoo, AP ^ | June 26, 2005 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 06/26/2005 9:17:36 AM PDT by AZConcervative

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To: AZConcervative
True. There is no doubt about that. And I do believe that Graham has sold out his beliefs on occasion to rub shoulders with the rich and powerful.

That being said, the meeting was in NY and his audience probably likes and agrees with B & H. So insulting them would have turned off many of the people in his audience who would have ceased to listen to his real message. He was probably too generous, but what I read was that he was admiring Clinton's ability to speak effectively and the R-C's job as a senator.

I feel pretty strongly that politics can get in the way of bringing people to Christ. I know some very devout Christians that are politically liberal. (Although honestly, I can't figure out how!) I believe that someday, they will be more conservative. But I couldn't live with myself if I ran them off Christianity because I made my politics the issue. (They actually hate Clinton too—but love Carter. Blech!)

Boy, is this next statement going to get me flamed: I guess I just can't imagine Jesus down here getting into the political fray, but rather meeting each of us where we are, pointing our sin out to us and offering us redemption one at a time. It's a wider message, that's all. And what happens if BC ends up in heaven after all? Would you be mad? (I'm going to stay away from Hillary on that one...she seems less "saveable" to me at this point because of her continued arrogance, etc. ; ) )

41 posted on 06/26/2005 9:46:17 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: AZConcervative
the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country

Does Billy Graham have dementia?

42 posted on 06/26/2005 9:47:01 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AZConcervative

What I meant to say is that I think Billy thought that he was right to evoke the popular Clintons while in NY. He was not right to do so. I have also heard him similarly evoke such "distinguished" personages as the Reverend Jesse Louis Jackson, Sr., too. I don't know if he has similarly embraced some "third-world" tyrants, popular with the American leadership class too, such as Fidel Castro. He may have invoked Nelson Mandela too.


43 posted on 06/26/2005 9:48:40 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative
Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival

...proving once again that hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.

44 posted on 06/26/2005 9:48:54 AM PDT by RichInOC (I look forward to Bubba debating the meaning of "is" with God at the Last Judgment.)
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To: poobear
I'm so sorry! I know what you mean. It puts politics right into the middle of it. Like going to a movie and having to sit through a liberal lecture when you just wanted to enjoy it.

I was glad that Fox News had someone there live though. When was the last time you saw THAT covered on tv?

45 posted on 06/26/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: AZConcervative
I hope Benedict stays the course.

I think you can count on the Holy Father. In fact, I would bet my life on it.

46 posted on 06/26/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: linkinpunk

Graham almost never spoke about abortion. I once heard him note that a line in, Jeremiah, I believe, points out that the Almight "knew us" in the mother's womb. But he never got involved in abortion politics, perhaps because some of his favorite politicos like Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Clinton were openly pro-abortion.


47 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:30 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AZConcervative

Did the Grahams invite Bubba? Or did Bubba invite himself?


48 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:46 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: AZConcervative

Did Graham preach at the black church that burned into clintons mind when he was a child?


49 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:53 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: AZConcervative
I wonder if John the Baptist would have praised Herod and his adultrerous relationship?

Actually I already know the answer to that question. John served no one but God and was murdered because he refused to cowtow to those in temporary power.

50 posted on 06/26/2005 9:52:59 AM PDT by christabel
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To: linkinpunk
Does Billy Graham have dementia?

No. He has a much more serious disease: Deneedtobelovedbyeveryone. It's what you catch when you leave Bible truths for man's praise.

51 posted on 06/26/2005 9:54:53 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: Theodore R.
It gets worse. When he was running for President, the membership board of the LR Country Club allowed one Black person to join. Clinton must have applied some political pressure, LOL. I heard the well to do Black Gentleman resigned his exclusive ($$$$$) membership.

Can't say I blame him.

sw

52 posted on 06/26/2005 9:55:19 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Theodore R.

I should have read your #28 before making my post, anyway no harm in emphasizing the fact.


53 posted on 06/26/2005 9:55:37 AM PDT by christabel
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To: Theodore R.

I believe that the daughter Anne is also very conservative.


54 posted on 06/26/2005 9:56:34 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Theodore R.

I've always heard that Billy Graham was a Democrat, so I doubt he'd be supporting McCain.


55 posted on 06/26/2005 9:57:55 AM PDT by eddie65
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To: Theodore R.

Franklin Graham was on hannity & Combs, and said that his father was a dem. and he was a rep.


56 posted on 06/26/2005 9:58:30 AM PDT by jincarolina
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To: pollyannaish
"Like going to a movie and having to sit through a liberal lecture when you just wanted to enjoy it."

Exactly! If they wanted to attend and hear the sermon fine, Jeez I wish to God they would just go away! If for a minute I thought they believed in the Gospel of Christ this would be tolerable and I hope they do, but "by their fruits ye shall know them". Thanks polly for the kind words.
57 posted on 06/26/2005 9:59:39 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: The Lumster
Your screen name is apropos

Yes, it is. Ha! Just ask anyone in my life. I try my best to think the best of people. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Just don't call me naive, because it's a choice of how I wanted to approach the world. It's worked out pretty well for me.

So here's my response: I think that you are right that Graham has cozied up to many people of ill repute. But didn't Jesus get criticized for exactly the same thing? Do BG think he's sold out sometimes, honestly, I don't know, because I'm not behind the scenes.

For me, it's just two separate issues. And I still find B & H icky. On ALL levels. But I fear that is not particularly good outreach.

58 posted on 06/26/2005 10:01:07 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Texas Songwriter

No...he likely preached at all 40 black churches that didn't burn when Clinton was a child. He was also there when Clinton made first contact with aliens and took his vow of chastity.


59 posted on 06/26/2005 10:02:11 AM PDT by George Stupidnopolis
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To: Theodore R.
The idea of the President "running the country" began, I assume, with popular NY Democrat FDR. Or was it later?

I don't really know.

60 posted on 06/26/2005 10:03:39 AM PDT by kennyo
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