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Russia calls for banning Judaism
Indian Express ^ | 27 june 2005 | Indian Express

Posted on 06/27/2005 5:13:17 AM PDT by voletti

Russia has ordered an inquiry into a 16th century Jewish religious law to ascertain whether it constitutes racist incitement and anti-Russian material, a media report said. Russia’s state prosecutor has ordered an examination into ‘shulhan arukh’, a code of Jewish Halakhic law compiled in the 16th century, and a probe against a Jewish umbrella outfit in Russia for distributing a Russian translation of an abbreviation of the religious law.

The probe was launched after some 500 public figures, including members of the Nationalist Rodina Party, in a letter to the prosecutor’s office urged to outlaw the Jewish religion and all its organisations operating in Russia, daily Ha'aretz reported.

The affair being closely watched in Israel has raised concerns for the Jews of Russia, who have come under increased anti-semitic attacks recently, the report said.

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This is the first time since Stalin’s regime that Russian officials have described holy Jewish scriptures as prohibited incitement, the daily reported quoting sources.

Attorneys from the state prosecutor’s office questioned Rabbi Zinovy Kogan, chairman of the Congress of Jewish organisations, last Thursday to explain the contents of ‘shulhan arukh’, especially its treatment of non-Jews, the report said.

The prosecutor had earlier rejected requests of Jewish organisations to open an investigation into those who were behind the letter asking for outlawing the religion and its organisations.

What madness is this??

1 posted on 06/27/2005 5:13:17 AM PDT by voletti
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To: voletti
Not many people can see history unfolding before their eyes. This is freaky. This stuff is rampant in our country too though. Many in America say that Christianity incites hatred and violence against homosexuals as well as others.

Howard Dean asked and evangelical how she could vote for him since he was sure, since she was an evangelical Christian, she wouldn't agree with his stance on civil rights for all Americans and the right of a woman to choose the health care she desired.

2 posted on 06/27/2005 5:20:41 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; MamaDearest; SJackson; BringBackMyHUAC; SandRat; ...

Ping


3 posted on 06/27/2005 5:25:46 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Wake up call: It is time to fight the "Enemy Within".)
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To: voletti

Didn't the Germans try this in WW2? Some people never learn.


4 posted on 06/27/2005 5:26:04 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Time is nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't happen at once.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.


5 posted on 06/27/2005 5:31:38 AM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: Destro

So are you going to play the "Putin, Christian Defender of Civilization" card on this one, or the "See, Iran isn't so bad, they even allow Jews more freedom than Russia" card?


6 posted on 06/27/2005 5:37:47 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: voletti

If this has legs and Russia starts cracking down on Judaism and other non-Orthodox faiths, then Russia has lost my support. Official Russia, that is, not the people.


7 posted on 06/27/2005 5:42:44 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: struwwelpeter

Any insight?


8 posted on 06/27/2005 5:56:44 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: voletti
Will they be charged with wrecking and Zionism?
9 posted on 06/27/2005 7:32:52 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: voletti; normy; Liberty Valance; Alouette; SJackson; adam_az; Sender; Calpernia; MarMema
Wow, George Soros has some powerful mojo. Russian law has an automatic investigation of complaints - file a complaint it has to be investigated - Canada has such a law too. This fringe party has found a way to use the legal mechanisim to gain some publicity which fuels the Soros financed/influenced disinfo news beast.

I posted a story about a month ago about Russian prosecutor investigating a book of stories and poems by Pushkin because they were erotic - some one or some group saw this book for sale at a book store and filed a complaint. The prosecutor has no flexibility in the matter - his office has to investigate.

I am against all censorship - but this is a tale taken by the western press to illustrate that Putin is turning Russia into a police state. Just like in the USA when the FCC gets a complaint - the Russian authorities probably got a complaint and thus have to open an investigation.

Our own FCC for example had to investigate NBC's opening ceremonies of the Athens Olympics because some yahoos were offended by reproductions of naked Greek statues and writhing Greek dancers.

Someone probably purchased the book and read the following and called the authorities.

There is a disinfo campaign out there to turn people against Russia be bringing up old Cold War imagry like Pushkin is being banned or something.

10 posted on 06/27/2005 7:33:51 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Alouette

Ping


11 posted on 06/27/2005 7:36:28 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (The purcuit if life, liberty, and higher tax revenue (amended by the surpreme 5).)
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FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

WARNING: This is a high volume ping list

12 posted on 06/27/2005 7:40:08 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: Destro
With working link:

Wow, George Soros has some powerful mojo. Russian law has an automatic investigation of complaints - file a complaint it has to be investigated - Canada has such a law too. This fringe party has found a way to use the legal mechanisim to gain some publicity which fuels the Soros financed/influenced disinfo news beast.

I posted a story about a month ago about Russian prosecutor investigating a book of stories and poems by Pushkin because they were erotic - some one or some group saw this book for sale at a book store and filed a complaint. The prosecutor has no flexibility in the matter - his office has to investigate.

26 posted on 01/30/2005 7:28:44 PM PST by Destro

I am against all censorship - but this is a tale taken by the western press to illustrate that Putin is turning Russia into a police state. Just like in the USA when the FCC gets a complaint - the Russian authorities probably got a complaint and thus have to open an investigation.

Our own FCC for example had to investigate NBC's opening ceremonies of the Athens Olympics because some yahoos were offended by reproductions of naked Greek statues and writhing Greek dancers.

Someone probably purchased the book and read the following and called the authorities.

There is a disinfo campaign out there to turn people against Russia be bringing up old Cold War imagry like Pushkin is being banned or something.

13 posted on 06/27/2005 7:40:27 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: voletti
and so the pogrom begins.
14 posted on 06/27/2005 7:43:36 AM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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To: Destro

Thank you for that information!


15 posted on 06/27/2005 7:58:33 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Porterville

This is terrifying...Neo-nazis are on the rise strongly in Russia, as are communists. Hrm, frying pan or fire, rock or hard place?

Preferences anyone?


16 posted on 06/27/2005 7:59:17 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

Pussia ping...YIKES


17 posted on 06/27/2005 8:02:26 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Alexander Rubin

No it is not - ease up on the wanking.


18 posted on 06/27/2005 8:03:01 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

Russia ping...YIKES


19 posted on 06/27/2005 8:03:53 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Calpernia

You can tell it is disinfo - check the headline of the article - people are easily manipulated by headlines.


20 posted on 06/27/2005 8:05:01 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: voletti
I have a difficult time taking this report too seriously.

I personally know a number of religious Jews in Russia right now. Judaism has expanded greatly under the Putin government. As a matter of fact, Putin himself has participated in the dedication of a large synagogue in Moscow. It is on film.

There has always been a certain amount of Jew hatred in Russia. Matter of fact, this same sort of trial is documented against religious Jews of over 150 years ago and is documented.

21 posted on 06/27/2005 8:07:06 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
See my post @ # 13.

I through out George Soros because the only "Russian" source for this article I could google up was from 'Mosnews' an English internet news website financed by Soros. 'Mosnews' probably served as the source for the following articles.

22 posted on 06/27/2005 8:09:40 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: voletti

The madness is this is another sign that Russia, Like Europe, is going full throttle in its' Anti-Semitism.


23 posted on 06/27/2005 8:10:19 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: desherwood7

That was close - I nearly got whacked by your knee jerk.


24 posted on 06/27/2005 8:13:07 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I agree. It raised a red flag in my eyes.

Your explanation was very helpful.


25 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:24 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Destro

What knee jerk? It's the truth when it comes to Europe.


26 posted on 06/27/2005 8:18:07 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: voletti

Where is the Aw, Jeeze guy?


27 posted on 06/27/2005 8:19:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: desherwood7

See my post at #13


28 posted on 06/27/2005 8:19:52 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320747/posts
George Soros, Media Connections


29 posted on 06/27/2005 8:21:08 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: voletti; Alouette

This story is at least six months old. Putin has long since shut down this 'inquiry'.


30 posted on 06/27/2005 8:25:02 AM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Destro

I seen your post. So you think this is alot of smoke and mirrors?


31 posted on 06/27/2005 8:25:17 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: voletti
What madness is this??

Incredible!
Some people never learn.

32 posted on 06/27/2005 8:27:53 AM PDT by meema
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To: Calpernia
This is not a unique system to Russia - it exists in many nations including Canada. I was watching a British documentary about this crazy author names David Ickes (I think that is his name) who claims the world is run by freemasons who are really alien lizards. Sounds whacky, but he is popular and many Jewish groups think he is a secret anti-semite who is using code words like lizards to describe a Jewish cabal to take over the world - he claims it is lizards only. Anyways, the reason I bring this up is he went to Canada on a book signing tour and a complaint was filed and he was investigated.

We in America have something close to it it though - the FCC - the investigate complaints about broadcasters all the time -well founded or not.

33 posted on 06/27/2005 8:31:31 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: RightWhale

34 posted on 06/27/2005 8:41:14 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: Destro

David Yikes did not make this stuff up. It is mostly told to him by others who made it up. However, it is a scientific fact that all flu is from birds, and birds are the modern descendents of the dinosaurs, which also contains the ancestry of the lizards. There is enough of a germ of truth in these speculations to provide endless entertainment.


35 posted on 06/27/2005 8:46:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Destro

How does the investigation of Pushkin have anything to do with this and disinformation?

You claim there is something "inflexible" in prosecution once some random group complains, but that does not mitigate this from the story:

"The probe was launched after some 500 public figures, including members of the Nationalist Rodina Party, in a letter to the prosecutor’s office urged to outlaw the Jewish religion and all its organisations operating in Russia, daily Ha'aretz reported."

Further did I miss the historical context of Russian pogroms and purges of Pushkin lovers?

And how is the apparatus of prosecutorial rules which enable censorship supposed to be a comfort to critics who claim Russian backsliding?

This Pushkin story has no relationship to disinformation or anti-Semitism.


36 posted on 06/27/2005 9:08:55 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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To: voletti; Alouette; IAF ThunderPilot; All

WHOA I going pinging Israeli news list


37 posted on 06/27/2005 9:10:34 AM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: dervish

See # 30.


38 posted on 06/27/2005 9:21:03 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: desherwood7

You could answer your own question - where in the article does it say 'Russia' calls for a ban on Judaism? You can see the slight of hand involved as you think about it.


39 posted on 06/27/2005 9:23:50 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Thank you. I know. Disturbing nonetheless.


40 posted on 06/27/2005 9:42:10 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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To: dervish
I am not a Russia - I don't speak or read it nor do I know any Russians nor am I Russian Orthodox.

When I was involved in posting against Clinton's war in Yugoslavia I saw first hand the way news was distorted. This is what I am seeing done to news out of Russia. Distorted to make it more ominous than it is. Sometimes it is subtle - other times heavy handed - this article is a heavy handed distortion. For example of this - where in the article does it say 'Russia' calls for a ban on Judaism as the headline says it does? You can see the slight of hand distortion involved as you think about it.

41 posted on 06/27/2005 9:49:34 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Yes, the headline is inflammatory.


42 posted on 06/27/2005 10:17:15 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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To: voletti
State Duma to Spurn Down Anti-Semitic Move by Group of Deputies

By Itar-Tass

MOSCOW, Russia - The State Duma will give on Thursday an appraisal to the anti-Semitic motion by a group of legislators from the factions of Rodina and the Russian Communist Party. The agenda of the chamber’s meeting includes an item on debating a draft statement by the State Duma, assessing an address by 19 deputies to the Russian Prosecutor- General’s Office, demanding that “ a case on prohibition in our country of all religious and nationalist Jewish associations as extremist should be officially instituted”.

The address was published in the newspaper Rus Pravoslavnaya (Orthodox Russia) last January. It was signed by 13 members of the Rodina faction, including Alexander Krutov, Sergei Glotov, Nikolai Pavlov, Igor Rodionov, Andrei Savelyev and six members of the Communist Party faction, including Nikolai Kondratenko and Albert Makashov. The letter claimed, inter alia, that “the Jewish religion is anti-Christian, misanthropic, going to an extent of ritual murders”.

They withdrew their address some time later. However, it provoked a broad response both in Russia and the world over. The Israeli embassy addressed a statement to Russian authorities on this occasion.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the forum “Let My People Live” on January 27, devoted to the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, admitted that he was ashamed of manifestations of anti-Semitism and xenophobia in Russia.

“The German chancellor said quite recently that he is ashamed of the past, but it was the past, while we should be ashamed of nowadays, since we now often see manifestations of this ailment, even in Russia which had done more than others for the victory over fascism and for the liberation of Jews,” the Russian leader said.

Chief Russian rabbi Berl Lazar thanked the president for these words which, in his opinion, “were the response to the events of the past month, including the latest absurd statement by some deputies”. ( the Chief Rabbi also sent strong letters of condemnation to the Speaker of the Duma and the heads of the Communist and Rodina parties)

The Russian Foreign Ministry made a statement where it called the address by deputy “blatant anti-Semitism” and emphasized that it has nothing to do with the general position of the Russian leadership.

Most State Duma deputies also opposed the motion by the 19 legislators. Speaker of the State Duma Boris Gryzlov called the address to the Prosecutor-General’s Office “outrageous”. Chairman of the Duma International Affairs Committee Konstantin Kosachev stressed in an interview with Tass that deputies intend to give a political appraisal to this “vicious anti-Semitic statement, subject to articles of the Criminal code."

43 posted on 06/27/2005 10:39:46 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Alouette

ping to above.


44 posted on 06/27/2005 10:41:39 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Destro
"The prosecutor has no flexibility in the matter - his office has to investigate."


Your argument falls flat when read with all the details of the story:

"The prosecutor had earlier rejected requests of Jewish organisations to open an investigation into those who were behind the letter asking for outlawing the religion and its organisations."
45 posted on 06/27/2005 10:49:09 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: Sender

"Official Russia, that is, not the people."

You think that the Russian people are less anti-Semitic than their government?

Russians have a long history of anti-Semitism. What kept the Tsars in power so long was distracting the massively undereducated peasant population with pogroms.


46 posted on 06/27/2005 10:52:34 AM PDT by anticommunist8
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To: Destro
You could answer your own question - where in the article does it say 'Russia' calls for a ban on Judaism? You can see the slight of hand involved as you think about it.

Like the headlines today about the Sumpreme Court banning the 10 Commandments.

47 posted on 06/27/2005 10:55:10 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: TheOtherOne
Not really - this time an object to investigate was provided - just like the FCC won't investigate without an example being provided. Sorry, I looked this up several months ago (this is a several month old article rehashed) when it first happened - now the group that presented the object also came under investigation for anti-semetisim. It withdrew the request and made a public statement against its own claim. Next time do a little deeper digging.
48 posted on 06/27/2005 11:19:14 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: MarMema

Can you explain why this old, obsolete story keeps making the rounds?


49 posted on 06/27/2005 11:19:51 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: Alouette
Disinfo anti-Russian campaign. Same thing was done to the Serbs during their war with the Muslims. Same thing is done to the Israelis in the news as well.
50 posted on 06/27/2005 11:24:00 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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