Posted on 06/27/2005 5:30:51 AM PDT by mware
TROUBLE SPEAK
Ward Churchill backs fragging
Controversial '9-11 prof' suggests rolling grenades under line officers
Posted: June 26, 2005
10:39 p.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Prof. Ward Churchill
University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill suggested to a forum on conscientious objection they might be more effective in opposing war if they supported the "fragging" or killing of line officers.
In a Portland meeting on resistance to military recruiting, Churchill, famous for comparing Sept. 11, 2001, victims in the World Trade Center to "little Eichmanns," twice suggested anti-war activists should support those who kill their officers.
"For those of you who do, as a matter of principle, oppose war in any form, the idea of supporting a conscientious objector who's already been inducted [and] in his combat service in Iraq might have a certain appeal," he said. "But let me ask you this: Would you render the same support to someone who hadn't conscientiously objected, but rather instead rolled a grenade under their line officer in order to neutralize the combat capacity of their unit?"
Later, in a question-and-answer period, Churchill was asked whether the trauma "fragging" inflicts on that officer's family back home should be considered, he responded: "How do you feel about Adolf Eichmann's family?"
Earlier, Churchill blamed the five-month-old controversy over his post-Sept. 11 essay on a faulty grammar-checker.
He did not intend to suggest the 9-11 victims were "little Eichmanns" he claims now. Instead, he blamed the grammar checker for changing what he says he actually wrote: "little Entenmanns" -- referring to the brand of pastries.
"My metaphorical use of food in the essay is, of course, complex to the layman, but surely you've all heard the expression 'as American as apple pie,'" he said. "Well, I'd meant to relate the 'Americanness' and 'lovability' of those poor people who died on 9-11 to the well-known popularity of Entenmann's glazed donuts."
When is he going to be at least fired? Thanks for finding the story.
It's better when Kiran Chetry tells it.
Gosh Ward, that opens the door to all kinds of things....
...like rolling a hand grenade under the desk of lying traitorous plagiarzing traitorous college professors.
I don't thing ya wanna be going there.
This SOB is buying a $*!t load of bad Karma and, hopefully, a good ole ass whoopin sometime in the not too distant future.
No surprise that this guy can't stop shooting himself.
Wouldn't surprise me too much if someone ultimately rolls a grenade in his direction.
Does the USA no longer have any criteria for prosecuting sedition?
If a "college professor" (c'mon UC- is this idiot still on the PAYROLL????) stands up and advocates killing police or opposition party politicians ...or abortionists....is that free speech?
What do the families of Colorado's uniformed miliary officers have to say about this man being paid by their tax dollars?
Is this scrappleface or the Onion?
Notice the extra slap in the face with the Entermann comment.
CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
Section 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms ''organizes'' and ''organize'', with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
Section 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally
(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States: (1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or (2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. (b) For the purposes of this section, the term ''military or naval forces of the United States'' includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.
Section 2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (b) If two or more persons conspire to violate subsection (a) of this section and one or more such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in said subsection (a). (c) Whoever harbors or conceals any person who he knows, or has reasonable grounds to believe or suspect, has committed, or is about to commit, an offense under this section, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. (d) This section shall apply within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States, and on the high seas, as well as within the United States.
Section 2389. Recruiting for service against United States
Whoever recruits soldiers or sailors within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, to engage in armed hostility against the same; or Whoever opens within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, a recruiting station for the enlistment of such soldiers or sailors to serve in any manner in armed hostility against the United States - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Ward is still around? He's got to be in the 59th second of the 14th minute of his 15 minutes of fame.
When is he going to be fragged?!
The Entenmann's reference qualifies this piece as parody, correct? This cannot be an actual article.
I can not understand how this guy has not been fired much less arrested.
I wonder what editor he is using since Eichmann does not show up in my Microsoft Word thesaurus.
This is a true story. World Net Daily has it as the lead, and Fox & Friends reported it about 15 minutes ago.
Am I missing some sort of punch line? This is too weird to believe.
Why haven't they arrested this guy for treason yet?
The Entermann's comment is just his way of slapping the faces of those who he insulted in the first place.
"University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill suggested to a forum on conscientious objection they might be more effective in opposing war if they supported the "fragging" or killing of line officers."
I support fragging Ward Churchill.
Does anyone have a grammar checker that would convert "Eichmanns" to "Entenmanns"?
I bet someone could have fun checking the dates on his personal dictionary.
I am looking for a second source article. Already reported on Fox & Friends.
"Does anyone have a grammar checker that would convert "Eichmanns" to "Entenmanns"?"
Not here...
Even a layman recognizes the hypocrisy in claiming to oppose all forms war in one hand while advocating the use of guerilla warfare tactics in another.
Well, try this metaphor, Pysco Ward: "You are as complex as abcess on Ted Kennedy's butt"...
I would also like to point out the lameness of the event.
Since there is no draft - there really cannot be any conscientious objectors - except for some who volunteered for military service. and those are the really puzzling ones - why would they volunteer for service which they object to?
Meanwhile the current C.O. mentality is to advise ppl how to officially file your C.O. status IN THE EVENT there is a draft and IF you are drafted. In other words - it's a big steaming pile of liberal nonsense.
How about a punji stick or two in your campus office, Ward ?
Just forwards the article to Matt Drudge, if anyone can track the story down he can.
Ask Ward Churchill if he would support rolling a grenade under university professors to neutralize the educational capability of the unit.
Little Entemenanns? It would be nice to see the company sue his plagiarizing ass..
No, he needs to die.
Good. Then he will be extremely understanding when someone throws a firebomb through his window, won't he?
How much unmitigated gall does it take to change your story after having publically defended it for so long? No one is supposed to remember how ardently he defended the calling the victims little eichman's I suppose.
Apparently not. The current group in power in this country may call themselves conservatives but their complete disregard for the treason and subversion being carried out on grander and grander scales is damning as far as I'm concerned. Hell, maybe we shouldn't have gone to war because apparently NO ONE in our government seems the least bit interested in actually being serious about winning it.
I suspect O'Reilly will be all over this story tonight, and on his radio show.
He's just nuts.
I can't believe he still has a job there. This waste of oxygen needs to be fired ASAP. The taxpayers of Colorado should demand it.
The Thinker
It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties
now and then to loosen up.
Inevitably, though, one thought led to another, and soon I was
more than just a social thinker. I began to think alone "to relax," I told myself --but I knew it wasn't true.
Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I
was thinking all the time. That was when things began to sour at home.
One evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife about
the meaning of life. She spent that night at her mother's.
I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and
employment don't mix, but I couldn't stop myself. I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka. I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?"
One day the boss called me in. He said, "Listen, I like you,
and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll have to find another job."
This gave me a lot to think about.
I came home early after my conversation with the boss.
"Honey," I confessed, "I've been thinking..."
"I know you've been thinking," she said, "and I want a
divorce!"
"But Honey, surely it's not that serious."
"It is serious," she said, lower lip aquiver. "You think as
much as college professors and college professors don't make any money, so if you keep on thinking, we won't have any money!"
"That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently.
She exploded in tears of rage and frustration, but I was in no
mood to deal with the emotional drama.
"I'm going to the library," I snarled as I stomped out the
door.
I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche.
I roared into the parking lot with NPR on the radio and ran up
to the big
glass doors.. They didn't open. The library was closed.
To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for
me that night.
Leaning on the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a
poster caught my eye.
"Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?" it asked.
You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard
Thinker's Anonymous poster.
Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker. I
never miss a TA meeting.
At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it
was "Porky's." Then we share experiences about how we avoided
thinking since the last meeting I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home.
Life just seemed...easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped
thinking.
I think the road to recovery is nearly complete for me.
Today, I registered to vote as a Democrat.
The alumni at UC ought to be overjoyed about this latest revelation
I wonder if he would be willing to submit his original document to a bit of scrutiny. It should contain the hidden changes and the dates those changes were made.
That should clear this up.
Okay. If my son or husband were maimed or killed by an idiot that was anywhere to hear this bastard speak, I'd sue him. Big time. I'd sue his school. Big time. I might even sue his STATE. Big time.
The time is long overdue to cut off Chief Paleface's wampum.
I'm still looking for another source. I forwarded the article to Drudge. I would suspect we will might see it on his site before the end of the day.
I find it unbelievable that someone like Churchill - as stupid, arrogant and tin-eared as he is - would think that making this kind of comment could do him any good.
"I wonder if he would be willing to submit his original document to a bit of scrutiny. It should contain the hidden changes and the dates those changes were made.
That should clear this up. "
I hear that Dan Rather is willing to authenticate Churchill's work.
"Churchill also noted that, once corrected, the essay clearly intimates that "technocrats" refers to the Keebler elves, the marketing representatives of another popular line of pastries. Other errors the relieved Churchill pointed out to reporters included the essay's title itself, which he said should read "On the Justice of Roasting Chickens.""
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