Posted on 06/29/2005 10:27:29 AM PDT by Peach
Have you actually read the 9/11 Commission Report? Because the characterization of it that it disproves the links between Iraq/AQ is incorrect. It actually bolsters the case.
It's in the link I provided, if you're interested. There are some 60 pages in the Commission Report which detail the relationship.
Unless you don't happen to think it's important that an Iraqi was actually present at one of AQ's pre planning 9/11 meetings. And more.
You're the one who asked the question. I already knew. But you didn't, I see. Unless you just like asking questions to which you already know the answer.
Thanks for posting. There are a few DURTs( dim under the radar trolls) on FR today who believe what the dems and msm feed them rather than doing their own research. Those same ones who believe that if you have a good enough lawyer, then you are innocent of a crime you committed, ala, o.j. simpson. Keep up the good work.
I think you're exactly right about those two categories. SOmetimes it's just not worth the argument; other times there are Democrats who just have believed the MSM spin and when presented with facts, change their minds.
Thank you, Eagles6. Some people would rather believe Terry Moran and the rest of the spin by the media. Sad.
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Seen your phony baloney, neocon website.
Back to the koolaid stand with ya.
Here you go, billbears. Read quotes directly from the reports (9/11 Commission and Senate Ingelligence Committee):
9/11 Commission says prominent member of AQ served in Iraq's militia.
June 20, 2004. Reuters.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1156957/posts
9/11 Commission reaffirms Bush administration view of Iraq/AQ ties.
June 21, 2004. RNC.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157478/posts
What the Senate Intelligence Report said about the connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
July 22, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173423/posts
The 9/11 Commission found specific connections between Iraq and AQ. Specific names and dates are given from the report.
July 22, 2004. The Daily Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/354tdeij.asp
The 9/11 Commission and Iraq/AQ Connections.
July 26, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173008/posts
Clinton feared Iraq gave AQ chemical weapons in Sudan under a cooperative agreement they had.
July 2004. 9/11 Commission
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1087373948467
Information about Shakir, the Iraqi who met with AQ at a pre-9/11 planning meeting. Also information about the Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the bomb of the first WTC bombing.
August 2, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/357lnryy.asp?pg=2
Specific quotes from 9/11 Commission Report regarding links between AQ and Iraq.
July 30, 2004.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182042/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1193821/posts
Kerry disputing 9/11 Commission and Senate Intelligence Reports. Actual page numbers and quotes within article of what the Reports DID say regarding the connections.
September 20, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214954/posts
Both the Senate Intelligence Committee Report and the 9/11 Commission documented the links and relationship between AQ and Iraq.
October 5, 2005. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/731hezhy.asp?pg=2
Senate Intelligence Report says Zarqawi operated out of Saddam controlled territory - Baghdad.
October 20, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/803czhfn.asp
It looks like the 9/11 Commission got an important detail wrong. Shakir probably DID work the Iraqi Fedayeen and he had documents on him when arrested that linked him to the 1993 WTC bombing. And he drove the 9/11 hijackers to a planning meeting.
October 23, 2004. The Hoover Institute. http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1254304/posts?page=1
Here are the articles which put to bed the lie that Iraq didn't have a relationship with AQ.
Saddam was AQ's ATM and considered OBL an intelligence asset.
Even the Clinton administration noted in their federal indictment of OBL that he had an understanding not to attack Iraq in exchange for working together against the West.
And in the 90's, the MSM wrote dozens of articles about Saddam's relationship with the jihadists and how the first WTC bomber took refuge in Iraq.
That and more here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts
Most good debaters do, Peachy.
Uh, yeah the wash post is a liberal rag and as some of us at FR know, the 911 commission was a whitewash and a soviet circus trial used to attack the administration. "Dick" Clark was completely discredited and one of the facilitators of terrorism on our soil sat on the commission instead of in front of it.
Now that would be interesting if you were a good debater.
You know you two have at it. I went through this with the invisible WMDs that had 'impeccable' sources for existing and we know how that has worked out. Conservatives were right and Republicans were wrong..again.
Don't use logic and facts. They are as alien to them as cosmic dust and in their view carry about as much weight.
Hard evidence Saddam’s WMDs were removed from Iraq: the CW plot against JordanNews of this foiled plot should have provided conclusive proof that what President Bush feared, and which justified the effort to take Saddam down, was real – that Saddam allowed the operation of terrorist groups, especially al-Qaeda, within Iraq, and that terrorists trained in Iraq and supplied with a significant quality of WMD materials from Iraq, could have international reach. News of this foiled terrorist plot to use WMDs in a spectacular attack in Jordan received scant attention in the US media. While ABC’s “Nightline” carried the story, and similar stories appeared in articles published in the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal, the American news media did not give this news the significant level of attention it deserved. The news media’s mantra is that the failure to find stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq is a scandal that rests on the head of George W. Bush. “Bush lied!” The real scandal here is the failure or refusal of the American news media to report and pursue events which give credence and justification to President Bush’s policies in Iraq.On April 13, 2004, Jordanian security forces foiled an al-Qaeda plot against the nation’s intelligence agency. The plot, reported on April 26 by Agence France-Presse (AFP), involved a plan to use trucks packed with 20 tons of chemical explosives, including blistering agents, nerve gas and choking agents. Jordanian officials estimated that had the attack been successful, the amount of chemicals involved had the potential of killing up to 80,000 people.
Six members of the terror network which planned to execute the plot were arrested and four others were killed in a series of raids in Jordan which concluded on April 20. The ringleader of the terror network was a Jordanian, Azmi al-Jayussi. Jayussi had been recruited for the operation in Iraq by al-Qaeda leader Abu Massab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi was identified by Jordanian officials as the mastermind of chemical weapons plot.
According to a Jordanian security official interviewed by AFP, “Jayussi started to plan for the operation in Iraq where he had moved to from Afghanistan. He received direct orders from his leader, Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, to whom Jayussi had pledged allegiance and absolute obedience since he met him in al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan.”
In a taped statement, Jayussi related how his first encounter with Zarqawi had been in Herat, Afghanistan, and how he later connected up with him again in Saddam’s Iraq. He stated that it was Zarqawi who had trained him in the use of “explosives and strong poisons.” Excerpts of Jayussi’s taped statement, which were aired on ABC’s “Nightline” on April 26, 2004, revealed that the planning and training for the WMD plot took place in Iraq more than a year before the US-led coalition invasion.
In Iraq, Zarqawi introduced Jayussi to another of his Jordanian followers, Muwafaq Adwan. Muwafaq was killed in a shootout with Jordanian police in Amman on April 20. Jayussi told Jordanian security officials that Zarqawi had ordered Muwafaq and him to Jordan where “[o]ur mission was to instigate military work” in the country.
In Jordan, Jayussi was aided by several Syrians under Zarqawi’s direction. The aim of their operation was to attack Jordan and its ruling family as part of a “war against crusaders and infidels.”
Anti-terror experts said that the network’s 20 tons of explosives would have caused “two explosions: a traditional one and a chemical in an area of two square kilometers.”
“The chemical explosion would lead to the emission of poisonous chemical gasses which would have caused physical deformities and direct injuries to the lungs and eyesight,” said one of the experts on a Jordanian news program. “Outside this circle, the human loss would amount to around 80,000 people dead and 160,000 injured.”
To fund the operation, Jayussi said that he received the equivalent of $170,000 (US) in installments from Zarqawi, sent through messengers, most of them from Syria.
Another arrested suspect, Ahmed Samir, told Jordanian security that he had been trained in Iraq by a Zarqawi aide and worked on explosives for two months in a factory in Ramtha, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.
BTW, I see many of the 'reports' you have provided are from little Billy Kristol's magazine. Small wonder than Andrew McCarthy reports the link exists considering his ties to Kristol and the rest of the PNAC lackeys
It's indisputable about the connections between Iraq and AQ and even the formerly disgraced impeached president Clinton knew it and mentioned it in the Justice Department's federal indictment against OBL.
But facts will get in the way of your agenda, I guess. For sure, don't actually READ the 9/11 Commission Report but instead accept the media's spin. I see that's working real well for some people.
LOL. Well said. Facts. Schmacts.
Oooo, ABC, there's an unbiased news outlet. I am sure that an MSM news outlet would NEVER make something up to hurt this president. Why, if is rolls off their lips, it must be gospel.
We're arguing with someone who doesn't want to believe any of it. But thank you for that post; it was a good one.
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