Posted on 06/30/2005 2:00:23 PM PDT by digitalman
Poor kid.... God Rest His Soul
yes, it is unhappy event this is at least the second Mormon scout involved in a major accident/problem this year. The scout in Idaho, I an unsure if he was LDS.
hope the rules get tigher, and quickly
So sad. Prayers for the family. And let this serve as a reminder to always wear floatation devices around water. I was just reading about the Guadelupe River here in Texas and that is the number one point the article made. Even a good swimmer can get caught in an undertow.
I am so sorry for this family's loss but was there no supervision?
Kids...
When I was a kid, we were backpacking 15 miles from no-where.. we got ourselves into a tight spot where we either had to backtrack for a quarter mile, or shimmy along the face of a cliff over a river.
Being kids, we chose to shimmy the cliff.
About halfway along the 3" crack that extended about 12 feet laterally along the wall, I leaned a bit too far back (remember, there is a pack on my back) and went straight down into the river.
Fortunately, my backpack and sleeping bag acted as a life-preserver and kept me floating as I back-stroked it to the shore and grabbed a tree branch hanging over the water.
There, but for the grace of God go I...
I don't believe there is adequate training for the scout leaders here in the Intermountain West.
That's exactly what I've been thinking all week. What were they doing "pushing logs into the river"?
I'm so sad for this boy and his family. Unfortunately, all these accidents in the last couple of weeks have involved violations of safety guidelines. None of them should have happened.
Prayers for the family and all involved..
Walking 6 miles away from where the boy fell in, isnt going to save him. Why didnt the leader jump in and get him out?
Why would you let your kids go on a trip with a scout leader who wont jump in to get your kid if he falls in?
How many parents here would not jump in to get their child out of the water?
I just have to ask what the Scout rules are in terms of safety on trips such as this? Maybe the ratio of kids to Scout leaders isn't up to par? It saddens me to read stories like this. Hopefully the Boy scouts can revise what is already on the books for guidelines and come up with more strict rules for outings and camping. God Bless this boy and his family. I had a friend of mine who drowned in a lake. His family waited a month for his body to be found. It was awful. Prayers for all involved.
Very say.
I have a 13 year old son.
There were three adults along. Maybe the one who walked to the phone couldn't swim.
Anyway, it seems improbable that any of the adults was near enough when the boy fell in for jumping in after him to do any good. If they had been, they'd have stopped the boys from pushing logs into the river ... it's pointless, dangerous, and violates the "leave no trace" rules.
I have taken my Troop out a number of times where there are, say, 3 leaders and 18 kids. It's easy in such a case for a few kids to get separated from the leaders' direct supervision for a few minutes, and that's all it takes.
We take Scouts up to Devil's Lake in Wisconsin for rock climbing. Once we climb up to the top of the bluffs, and before any activity starts, I usually give a speech along the lines of "This is a dangerous activity. When you are at the park district, all the sharp edges have been filed down and padded, the water fenced off, the glass picked up off the fields, and everything is done so that no matter how stupidly you act, you won't get hurt. Not here. This landscape is beautiful, but it will quite uncaringly kill you if you fool around for even a second. People die here every year, and it's always from doing something against the rules. I've explained the rules. You will follow them, to the letter, and you won't try to game them. Or you will be sent home, immediately, and I won't care how much your parents will complain to me."
It's usually quite effective.
I remember a time when we were in high school, probably about 15 or 16 yrs. old and we were at Grand Haven State Park on Lake Michigan on the pier during a storm, which is where anyone with a modicum of sense does not want to be, so of course, every kid is out there for the thrill. The waves were so strong and they'd come up over the pier, and you'd have to quickly grab onto a structure or you'd get washed into the lake or the channel. We did it a million times. Well, this time my friend couldn't hold on and she was washed into the channel, she should have drowned but by the grace of God, she surfaced and a huge swell pushed her almost to the edge of the pier. The other friend I was with and I reached out and literally lifted her out of the water. I thank God to this day (I'm 50 now) for His mercy that the two of of us didn't fall in while rescuing her and that she wasn't pulled under by the strong currents. It was truly a miracle.
It doesnt matter what the ratio is if the scout leader wont jump in and save the child. What if the kids to scout leaders ratio was 1-20? who cares if 20 leaders wont go in the water?
All I know is: that I am not going to let my grandkids go scouting with these scout leaders.
I was a scoutmaster for about 7 years. Based on that limited experience and the information from the MSM on this incident I would say that all were acting within guidelines. Some of the posters to this thread want us to spoon feed the kids their oatmeal every morning. The troop I was with had their own canoes and we used them extensively. I followed safety guidelines for water sports to the tee, but that is all I could do. I could not be in every location at all times, nor could the other dads I enlisted to help out.
My prayers are for the family and the mourning they are experiencing.
You must have never seen a raging mountain river, no adult could have saved him.
A scout leader who cant swim, should not be watching the boys who are near the water - same thing goes with lifeguards on our beaches - if they cant swim, they shouldnt be in charge of people near the water.
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