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Time Inc. Decides to Hand Over Notes of Reporter Facing Prison
New York Times via Drudge ^ | June 30, 2005 | Adam Liptak

Posted on 07/01/2005 4:06:28 AM PDT by RetSignman

Edited on 07/01/2005 4:31:33 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Time magazine said today that it would provide documents concerning the confidential sources of one of its reporters to a grand jury investigating the disclosure of the identity of a covert C.I.A. agent, Valerie Plame.

The United States Supreme Court turned down appeals in the case on Monday, concluding the gravest legal confrontation between the press and the government in a generation. Two reporters, Judith Miller of The New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, face jail for refusing to testify before the grand jury.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cialeak; edklein; hillaryclinton; mandygrunwald; matthewcooper; plame; timemag
I wonder how many of you Freepers think that this could mean that the notes in question, which they are disclosing, reveal a Republican or a member of the Bush Adminitration?
1 posted on 07/01/2005 4:06:29 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: RetSignman
Mandy Grunwald's husband.

Anyone think they'll be the real notes?

2 posted on 07/01/2005 4:10:19 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: RetSignman
Of course the notes reflect poorly (imply deceit) for the Bush admin.

Else the Times would be refusing.

(When the Clinton admin was lying about Lee involvement with their DOE, the reporters are still withholding evidence.)
3 posted on 07/01/2005 4:17:23 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: RetSignman
Material from the New York Times needs to be excerpted because of copyright restrictions.

Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints

4 posted on 07/01/2005 4:36:02 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: RetSignman
Material from the New York Times needs to be excerpted because of copyright restrictions.

Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints

5 posted on 07/01/2005 4:36:04 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator

It's About Time!


6 posted on 07/01/2005 4:36:33 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: OldFriend
Same question I'm asking...Are the notes real? or do they fit an agenda.

I remember a friend of Wilson saying he happen to run into Novak and said something about Valerie. The friend said he scooted to Wilson's house and said "Hey, Novak knows about Valerie".

Which of course means this friend knew about Valerie.

7 posted on 07/01/2005 4:37:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: OldFriend
Matthew Cooper of TIME is Mandy Grunwald's husband? The former Clinton administration hack?

Sheesh--this is like watching "Parade of the Incest Democrat-Media Inbreds."

8 posted on 07/01/2005 4:45:30 AM PDT by SkyPilot (Eliminate, eradicate, and stamp out redundancy!)
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To: RetSignman
Quite ironic, isn't it?

This cover is from October, 2003.


9 posted on 07/01/2005 4:46:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot (Eliminate, eradicate, and stamp out redundancy!)
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To: SkyPilot
Read Ed Klein's book. It's quite the eye opener.

Very interesting and really a must read!

He connects all the dots.

10 posted on 07/01/2005 4:48:45 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: RetSignman

OK folks, you heard it here first:

My prediction?

The notes that get turned over will be CBS-style "fake but accurate" fabrications that point the finger at noneother than Karl Rove.

The leftists in our media want to get that guy more than anybody else in the Bush Administration.


11 posted on 07/01/2005 4:55:39 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: OldFriend

Thanks for the info. My big interest remains "her thesis" which is under lock and key and her part in the Nixon takedown. If I had to write a book about Hillary, I would call it: "Evil Intentions".


12 posted on 07/01/2005 5:00:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Mad Mammoth
The notes can be "anything they want them to be". If there are no countering notes, it means nothing.

I keep remembering that Wilson blew "his cover" on his third date with Valerie.

13 posted on 07/01/2005 5:03:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
The 'thesis' was then. This is now. Read this book and don't forget anything you read.

She's dangerous, she's a liar, she's a committed fascist.

14 posted on 07/01/2005 5:07:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: OldFriend; T'wit
Apparently one of dots included is the tainted blood scam in Arkansas. According to Klein, Vince Foster was the enforcer of silence on that scam and several others.*

I haven't read the book, but Klein was interviewed on KSFO this week and was astonished that host Lee Rodgers had READ the book instead of the press kit the publishers send out.

Apparently the book is quite different from the promos by the publisher--which is interesting in itself.

One of the differences is that Klein never says that Hillary is/was a lesbian as all the hype implies, such false hype giving sympathy to Hillary. He does say that she was exposed to gay/lesbian politics at Wellesley and saw a useful political lever. What Klein actually wrote is that Hillary is pretty much not interested in sex, more of an ice queen.

When Lee asked him about the well supported story of an affair between Foster and her, Klein said the only way he can believe it is if she was taking advantage of Foster's unhappiness in his marriage in order to keep him close and devoted and thus continue to be the trusted enforcer.

*Remember back very early on when Linda Tripp said that when she accessed Foster's computer a password requirement demand appeared on the screen along with a title about tainted blood. I can't remember exactly how all that occurred, but I bet T'wit can.

15 posted on 07/01/2005 5:08:27 AM PDT by Sal
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To: Sal
Read the book.

It's got a lot of inside information never seen before.

It also makes me all the more furious at Newt for giving her credibility on the health care issue.

She needs to be gone from our public lives. The sooner, the better. She's evil and does great harm to this country.

16 posted on 07/01/2005 5:20:52 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: SkyPilot

Mandy Grunwald was fired from Clinton Admin in WH. Mandy Grunwald then went to work on Hillary's Senatorial NY Run for office.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 5:22:48 AM PDT by Alia
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To: OldFriend
Read Ed Klein's book. It's quite the eye opener. Very interesting and really a must read! He connects all the dots.

I just quoted from that book in another thread. :> I agree; it's a useful read. I do understand the "conservative warnings" against the book for its sordid nature re subject. However, does a good job of following a "thread" of "connectedness" within the Dem Party.

But then, I have this Ray Bradbury kind of perversity: Someone tells me not to read something; I just gotta! :>

18 posted on 07/01/2005 5:25:37 AM PDT by Alia
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To: RetSignman
Who "exposed" non-field operator Valerie Plame is much less important than who tipped off an Islamonazi fake charity to an impending raid.

I believe what the prosecutor is really looking for here is who leaked THAT information to journalists and that just maybe the Plame leaker is the same as the raid leaker.

At least when--or IF--the prosecutor gets that name or names, he can put pressure on the leaker regarding the important case of the blown raid.

I agree with expectations here that Grunewald's husband is very likely to give the prosecutor false name(s). My money is also on Grunewald's husband as the tipoff man. I doubt very much that Miller would do that.

My hope is that the prosecutor will now be able to get phone records so that he can track down the real source(s) even if Grunewald's husband lies to him and produces notes from the Rather Forgery Team so to speak.

19 posted on 07/01/2005 5:27:11 AM PDT by Sal
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To: Sal

The angst that this has caused the media is fun to watch.


20 posted on 07/01/2005 5:28:57 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: Sal
Who "exposed" non-field operator Valerie Plame is much less important than who tipped off an Islamonazi fake charity to an impending raid.

Agreed.

21 posted on 07/01/2005 5:29:59 AM PDT by Alia
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To: OldFriend
It's got a lot of inside information never seen before.

I guess that's why it has to be discredited ASAP as was Gary Aldrich's book warning us that the Clintons were systematically dismantling the White House security system. That facilitated the treason of Chinagate.

Both books were/are attacked in the same manner as smears on peoples' private lives.

I guess I am going to have to read this book after all.

22 posted on 07/01/2005 5:32:43 AM PDT by Sal
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To: Sal
Read the book. There's a good reason why the left is afraid of this book.

Gary Aldrich got the same treatment this author is getting.

Sad that the conservatives have to fall all over themselves distances themselves from the truth.

23 posted on 07/01/2005 6:38:53 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: SkyPilot

I swear it looks like a she-male.


24 posted on 07/01/2005 6:41:53 AM PDT by Paulus
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To: Sal
>> *Remember back very early on when Linda Tripp said that when she accessed Foster's computer a password requirement demand appeared on the screen along with a title about tainted blood. I can't remember exactly how all that occurred, but I bet T'wit can.

OK, but it is indeed from memory!

Tripp took a phone call shortly after Foster's death from a caller she wouldn't name, who said that the matter Foster was distressed about was something about contaminated blood. The call came directly to the White House legal office instead of through the White House switchboard, so the caller was clearly close to Foster. Tripp was subbing for Foster's secretary Deborah Gorham during lunch hour, as was usual. When she tried to reference the matter on Gorham's computer, she ran into a locked file with password protection.

The computer was later removed and the files lost. Gorham might know what was in those files. I don't think she was ever asked.

Tripp and two of her conservative friends know who the caller was but declined to identify him. We bloodhounds were more than a little interested in his identity (and still are). Now that time has passed, I hope one of these three people will tell us who the caller was.

Foster was known to be involved in the Arkansas tainted blood story. He was thought to be a bag man for the scheme. At one point he personally visited BLOOD TRAIL author Michael Galster and offered him a deal to help squelch an inmate lawsuit. Galster refused, despite a threat from Foster that he would never work for the state again. Thus, we can conclude that Foster not acting as a private attorney but as a representative of Clinton and the state.

What it all adds up to, speculatively, is that Foster may have been ready to blow the whistle on the tainted blood scam due to then-breaking news that many people in Canada were contracting Hepatitis C and AIDS from that blood. There is reason to think the Arkansas gang in the White House tried desperately to talk him out of it just before he died. And failed. The last of these efforts was apparently a summons to the White House Monday evening, July 19th. Foster wouldn't go. The next day he ended up dead in Fort Marcy Park.

As an intriguing added mystery, I found a routine wire story reporting that on Monday, July 19th, Hillary Clinton, who was in California pitching her health care plan, abruptly cancelled all of her California events for the week without explanation. Did she know something was going to happen?? She was on a plane to Little Rock the next day when Foster's body was found, and within hours was directing her staff in the White House to ransack Foster's office and remove his files. What evidence she succeeded in destroying by this, we will never know.

25 posted on 07/02/2005 3:53:26 AM PDT by T'wit (Kreuttner's Third Law: "If you don't think about something hard enough, it becomes unthinkable.)
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To: OldFriend
Mandy Grunwald's husband.

Whoa. I didn't know that. But it explains a lot...

Anyone think they'll be the real notes?

Nope :)

26 posted on 07/02/2005 3:56:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Sal
Here's Maggie Gallagher's column about the incident:

THE TAINTED BLOOD MYSTERY

New York Post September 25, 1998

By Maggie Gallagher

Can I tell you a little story? I warn you, I don't know how it ends yet. Maybe I never will.

Once upon a time - in fact a day or two after Vince Foster died - a man called the White House Counsel's Office. "This was not a line that kooks typically rang us up on," my source told me. Lunatics call the main office number. This guy called one of Vince's assistants directly.

The man said he had some information that might be important. Something had upset Vince Foster greatly just days before he died. Some thing about "tainted blood" that both Vince Foster and President Clinton knew about, this man said.

"I'm only telling you this now because Vince Foster was very distressed about this only days before his death," the mysterious caller (whose name I am withholding) said. "I'm not saying this caused his suicide. I'm only saying it might have contributed to his distress and I thought someone should know."

The White House Counsel's office didn't pay much attention. "Probably a kook," they agreed around the office.

Probably.

Except that when his computer name was typed into the computer log of phone calls for Vince, something strange happened. The computer flashed "password required" or some such phrase indicating a special code was needed to open that file. "Aw, probably just a computer glitch," Bernie Nussbaum, then chief White House Counsel, said at the time. And so the matter, as far as I know, was dropped.

A strange little memory fragment, meaningless in itself, no? Until last week, when a story published in The Ottawa Citizen suddenly jogged it front and center.

"HIV BLOOD CAME FROM ARKANSAS JAIL," the head line screamed. Then, The Ottawa Citizen reports, "A U.S. firm with links to President Clinton collected HIV- tainted blood from Arkansas prison inmates in the 1980's and shipped it to Canada, newly uncovered documents reveal... It is like several hundred, perhaps thousands, were infected by the tainted products."

Seems the now defunct Health Management Associates, heade by an FOB named Leonard Dunn (who served as head of the Finance Committee in Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial election campaign, for instance) how a contract to offer medical care to and sell blood from Arkansas prisoners.

By 1985 the AIDS crisis made it impossible to sell prisoners' blood in the United States or most other places. HMA found one willing blood broker in Montreal who retailed it to another Canadian company who didn't know it came from prisoners. Bingo! A few hundred Canadians infected with an incurable deadly disease.

The Citizen says it has copies of internal Arkansas documents from police, who at this time were investigating rumors: Clinton appointees to the prison board had demanded bribes in exchange for renewing HMA's contract with the state of Arkansas in 1985.

The matter was dropped after investigators decided to accept the prison board's explanation: Bill Clinton had been very concerned about reports of inadequate medical care; a mysterious $25,000 payment was actually a legitimate fee to obtain the services of an "ombudsman" for the prisoners, though no letter of agreement or other documentation could be found. According to the state trooper's note, HMA chief Leonard Dunn went out of his way to boast to them that he was a "friend of Gov. Clinton."

Coincidence? Or a piece of the puzzle we didn't even know was there? I don't know.

One thing I do know, Mr. Name Withheld, the conscientious guy who tried to inform the authorities about Vince Foster's distress over "tainted blood", your message didn't get through. If you contact me [here she gave her e-mail address], I'll try to bring it to their attention.

27 posted on 07/02/2005 4:01:42 AM PDT by T'wit (Kreuttner's Third Law: "If you don't think about something hard enough, it becomes unthinkable.)
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To: T'wit; Tony Snow
Tony, I hope you will take another look at the Klein book. Please see my #15 about how the publisher press kit leaves out the important stuff like Vince Foster as enforcer in the tainted blood scam cover up. The publisher's release hypes the nasty personal stuff, including misrepresenting what Klein actually wrote--per Klein himself as he stated in a recent KSFO interview with Lee Rodgers.

I too thought that this book was a set up to innoculate Hillary from harm on certain subjects and to create sympathy as the victim of a right wing smear. Now that I know Klein included information on the Clintons' (and Foster's) participation in the Arkansas tainted blood scam and tragedy, I don't think it's any kind of cover up.

Lots of people in Canada died drawn out, agonizing deaths because of this contaminated blood. Please look at T'wit's excellent posts #25 and #27 to get an idea what this really means.

It was huge news in Canada, but somehow never made it to our MSM. Possibly they didn't want their guy tied to a scam that killed innocent people in a horrible way.

T'wit, thank you very much for your recollections and the Maggie Gallagher column.

28 posted on 07/02/2005 6:46:54 AM PDT by Sal
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To: mewzilla
Read Ed Klein's book. Lots of connecting the dots.

Blood pressure alert!!!

29 posted on 07/02/2005 12:27:15 PM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: Sal; Tony Snow
Sal, you're welcome!

Tony, the Arkansas contaminated blood story never made it past the MSM gate guards, but it was surely among the most shocking Clinton scandals. In a nutshell, the Clintons were involved in a scheme to sell blood plasma drawn from prisoners at the nasty Cummins state prison farm in Grady, Arkansas. The plasma was contaminated and spread Hepatitis C and, to a smaller extent, AIDS wherever it was sold, starting in Canada. We traced its wake of disease and death all over the world. The tainted blood sales went on through all six of Clintons' gubernatorial terms, and even a little longer, under Jim Guy Tucker.

A group of us "bloodhounds" ran upwards of 600 posts on the scandal here in Free Republic. It is still quite a story!

I have several copies of a fictionalized version of the story, BLOOD TRAIL, by an Arkansas orthopedist who had a small role in the case and a big role in breaking the story. If you'd like a comp copy, freepmail me a snailmail address.

30 posted on 07/02/2005 1:36:04 PM PDT by T'wit ("My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the LAW!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: T'wit
I have several copies of a fictionalized version of the story, BLOOD TRAIL, by an Arkansas orthopedist who had a small role in the case and a big role in breaking the story.

IIRC he got some big trouble for it, too, although he was among the luckier opponents of the Clintons in that he did not get dead.

31 posted on 07/02/2005 3:53:35 PM PDT by Sal
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To: Sal; Budge
His clinic was burned by an arsonist. However, he rebuilt and has been back in business for quite some time without further incident.

Budge, any news?

32 posted on 07/02/2005 6:33:58 PM PDT by T'wit ("My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the LAW!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: T'wit

Thanks again, T'wit. I thought something had been burned but I didn't remember that it was his clinic. I'm very glad it's been rebuilt and especially that he's been okay since.


33 posted on 07/02/2005 7:43:12 PM PDT by Sal
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To: Sal
Got word from a friend that a new book, Their Lives, by Candace Jackson, mentions the tainted blood story. This I have to see! I just ordered a copy. It looks to be an extremely interesting book in any case, detailing the encounters of eight women who had the misfortune to cross the path of Bill Clinton.
34 posted on 07/03/2005 5:35:20 AM PDT by T'wit ("My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the LAW!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: T'wit

Nothing new, T'wit. You already know the story of the video.


35 posted on 07/03/2005 4:47:22 PM PDT by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: Budge
>> You already know the story of the video.

Remind me which video story you are talking about -- ? But meanwhile, how are YOU? And do you see Mike?

This book I mentioned, "Their Lives," apparently says that a female reporter (?) pursuing the tainted blood story was harassed by the Clintons. Off the top, I can't think who it could have been. I ordered the book and will soon get that story.

Couldn't very well have been Rikki Magnussen. I still wonder what happened to her. I dropped her off at the bus station after the house managers' dinner and never heard from her again. Hope she is happy and well back in Denmark.

Suzi maybe?

36 posted on 07/03/2005 5:16:47 PM PDT by T'wit ("My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the LAW!" -- Will Rogers)
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To: Budge

Do a google on Suzi. My, she leads an interesting life!!


37 posted on 07/03/2005 5:26:33 PM PDT by T'wit ("My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the LAW!" -- Will Rogers)
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