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SAAMI: Senate Bill 357 Could Ban Handgun Ammunition in California
SAAMI ^ | 07/05/2005 07:16:32 AM

Posted on 07/07/2005 9:18:51 AM PDT by Redcloak


SAAMI - Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactrer's Institute, Inc.

Senate Bill 357 Could Ban Handgun Ammunition in California

Californians Take Action Now

Industry Members Take Action Now

The California legislature is considering a bill that would require serial numbers on all handgun ammunition, including rimfire ammunition, beginning in January of 2009. This bill, introduced by Senator Joseph Dunn and strongly supported by California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, is strongly opposed by SAAMI. The bill, if enacted, amounts to a de facto ammunition ban in California. Serialized ammunition would affect what is now a sophisticated, highly efficient bullet-manufacturing process that could lead to the bankruptcy of the ammunition industry in America. The bill intended to reduce the criminal misuse of firearms has no proven law enforcement benefits, and has the potential to affect national security. Read Senate Bill 357 introduced by Senator Dunn in February 2005 and subsequent Senate amendments [1] [2] [3] [4].

SAAMI Responds To Inaccurate Testimony

California Attorney General Lockyer's testimony in support of SB 357 raises more than a few important questions. He claims it would cost manufacturers an additional "one-quarter of one cent" to laser engrave a serial number on the base and side of a bullet of "handgun ammunition." Senator Dunn claims that the "cost is negligible" and that it is "easy to implement" bullet serialization into the ammunition manufacturing process. SAAMI accurately says it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for firearms manufacturers to completely redesign their production facilities to incorporate the laser engraving bullets and casings and that bullet serialization is economically impossible.

A Bad Idea With National Repercussions

If SB 357 passes the California legislature, it will mandate that any handgun bullets and their cartridges manufactured, imported and sold in California be engraved with a serial number. The goal behind the serialization idea of matching bullets or their casings recovered at a crime scene with the purchaser of the ammunition may sound laudable in theory, but it is totally unrealistic. Manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market or go bankrupt. Increased costs for ammunition would dramatically affect our armed forces and state and local law enforcement by forcing a curtailment of training that would threaten homeland security.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Duncan Hunter Opposes SB 357: "I am a proud supporter of law enforcement's efforts to reduce the criminal misuse of firearms," says Duncan Hunter in a letter to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. ". . . I am strongly opposed to this proposal because of the harmful impact it will have on the manufacturers of ammunition used by our nation's armed services and law enforcement agencies."

Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee is concerned for the future of the ammunition industry in his state. "I have toured one of the major manufacturing plants and cannot imagine it being practical to serialize each cartridge. ... My administration has reflected my high regard for law enforcement and homeland security. But because there is no safe, feasible way to implement the requirements of this bill, I do not believe it is justified."

Congressman for All Alaska, Don Young, in his letter to Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, says, "I am a firm believer that state issues fall squarely within the domain of state and local elected officials. However, because of the nature of ammunition manufacturing, the character of the California market, and the national security concerns, there is in this unique case a federal nexus for review."

Assemblymember Ray Haynes, in an editorial submitted to the Los Angeles daily Metropolitan News-Enterprise says the California Legislature is "missing the target again on crime."

View a modern ammunition factory in action

This visual tour through a modern ammunition factory shows the impossibility of bullet serialization. SB 357 threatens to disrupt a sophisticated, highly efficient bullet-manufacturing process.

 

Law Enforcement Does Not Support This Bill

Senator Dunn's bill is intended to help reduce the criminal misuse of firearms. Yet many in law enforcement oppose this bill because there are no proven law enforcement benefits. No study has been initiated to demonstrate any value in serialization and the enormous costs to implement a serialization system would impact funds for proven crime-fighting initiatives.

James J. Fotis, Executive Director of The Law Enforcement Alliance of America states that SB 357 will endanger officer safety by harming police firearms training. " . . . if passed, this legislation will certainly play out like a horror flick on public safety and law enforcement in California."

Anthony J. Craver, Sheriff-Coroner of Mendocino County states "This is not a way to reduce gun-related crimes. Let's face it; this is just one more way to make gun ownership in California more difficult for honest people."

Industry Leaders Voice Opposition

Winchester Ammunition manufactures several million rounds of ammunition in a single day to supply the military, law enforcement agencies and sportsmen.
"Any attempt to comply with the proposed requirements would result in a massive slowdown in production," says R. M. Hammet, president. "It would be impossible as a matter of pure economics for my company to comply with this proposal and remain profitable."

Thomas L. Millner, president and CEO of Remington Arms Company, Inc. claims that "this proposal would be prohibitively expensive to implement" and would "turn modern assembly lines into early 19th century piece work shops."

SAAMI's letter to the California legislature states that there are important cost/benefit and public policy questions that must be fully examined and answered before bullet serialization of ammunition is imposed upon the industry.

The National Association of Sporting Goods Retailers, the association of more than 51 of the strongest and best firearms and sporting goods wholesale distributors in North America, say that passage of this bill would have a tremendous negative impact on the sporting goods business in California. Technology is untested and serialization will not reduce crime.

The National Reloading Manufacturers Association (NRMA) represent American companies which manufacture reloading components and tools. Executive director, Greg Chevalier urges Governor Schwarzenegger to oppose bullet serialization "for the long term good and safety of California and all Californians." The bill will not reduce crime and will further burden "law-abiding gun owners and the millions of Californians who participate in the shooting sports and in the hobby of reloading."

The California Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc. opposes bullet serialization not only because there are too many "unconsidered and uncontrollable variables" that make this legislation an impractical crime-prevention tool, but also this "would quickly become just another poorly thought out law that in reality, once again, affects lawful citizens who are not a part of the firearms-related crime problem."

The CRPA is also urging California sheriffs to oppose serialized handgun ammunition. "The issue of survivability of a serial number on bullets is only a small part of the total picture ..."

Take Action Now.

A vote on this bill in the California Legislature is expected soon.
Voice your opposition and call your lawmakers today.

Address letters to:

Senator Joseph Dunn
State Capitol
Room 2080
Sacramento CA 95814
916-445-5831
916-323-2323



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ammunition; bang; firearms; joedunn; rkba; saami; sb357
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Here is some excellent information on this bill. You can also find more information at the NRAMembersCouncils.com web site. (Click on the "Legislative Info & Contact Tools" link in the upper-left corner of the page.)
1 posted on 07/07/2005 9:18:53 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Mr. Mojo

Ping!


2 posted on 07/07/2005 9:20:02 AM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Redcloak
SAAMI: Senate Bill 357 Could Ban Handgun Ammunition in California

Then, if they ban murder, they'll have their socialistic utopia they've always wanted.

It just feeeeeeeeels so good.

3 posted on 07/07/2005 9:20:46 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Redcloak

The people who support this are the same people who oppose laws that keep gang members from congregating together in public parks. The only problem with guns is the bad guys who own them, not the good guys who own them.


4 posted on 07/07/2005 9:21:56 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: Redcloak
Just wait, some assbat will come along and say something stupid like, "You have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide. Law abiding people won't be affected by this. Move along citizen, nothing to see here..."

Morons. I'm gonna put a serious bitch slap on the next person I hear saying crap like that.

5 posted on 07/07/2005 9:27:54 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Redcloak

They never rest so neither can we. Keep up the good fight California!


6 posted on 07/07/2005 9:29:10 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: Redcloak

I predict a large market in used brass and handloading supplies. Or mail order. Or ammo stores just over the state lines.

"Shop at Joe's Stateline Bait, beer, ammo".


7 posted on 07/07/2005 9:34:56 AM PDT by garyhope (moules et frites)
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To: Redcloak

The government can not ban our guns under the constitution, so the ban the ammo?

Tyranny by any other name is still tyranny. When will we wake up and realize this government is out of control?


8 posted on 07/07/2005 9:36:44 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Illegals should be Caught and Deported; not Released and Supported!)
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To: stevio
They never rest so neither can we. Keep up the good fight California!

Thank you for that. It's times like this that the California bashers come in and tar us all with the same brush, so thank you for a more appropriate response. We are fighting these kooks mightily. The gun bans are an are where we've had some success fighting of the commies in recent years.

9 posted on 07/07/2005 9:39:50 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: Redcloak

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/VG1.html

Practice gun control: burn a lot of Hercules powder.


10 posted on 07/07/2005 9:43:15 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Redcloak
Load yer own.
11 posted on 07/07/2005 9:45:52 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: garyhope

Wait till they realize that some folks make their own bullets including jacketed bullets for reloading. How will they control that?


12 posted on 07/07/2005 9:48:26 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Redcloak

Of course, terrorists, criminals, paedophiles, etc, would effectively be exempt.

Slowly, by degrees, a nation is brought to servitude and tyranny. It seldom happens overnight.


13 posted on 07/07/2005 9:49:36 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I hear your pain as I'm from the PRNJ. It sucks to have things written like "you get what you voted for" blah, blah, blah. See it all the time here. Those from the solidly red states that spew that stuff do not realize how hard it is to be a conservative who supports the constitution as written in states such as ours. It is so easy to be conservative in those red states. Not much to fight there relative to our burdens.


14 posted on 07/07/2005 9:49:57 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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To: Redcloak

So .. what are all the Hollyweird celebrities going to do when they cannot get ammunition LEGALLY. Does anyone doubt for a moment that they will still have their body guards and their body guards will have plenty of ammo.

This is outrageous - and I don't think the repubs in the CA state legislature will allow this to pass. There are just enough repubs to keep bad stuff from being passed.

What we need is double the amount of repubs so we can get some POSITIVE things done.


15 posted on 07/07/2005 9:51:21 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Mike Darancette
Load yer own.

Nice thought but possession of any unserialized cartridges or components would be illegal under the terms of this bill.

16 posted on 07/07/2005 9:57:47 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Redcloak

A new class of criminals emerges...those with reloading equipment who wont or dont have the equipment to serial number bullets and cartriges..

But since they wont be licensed they will be outlaws...

Meanwhile the gang bangers will bring in ammo from out of state, and Mexico

And so law enforcement can spend it's time chasing varmint hunters with 22s and ignore violent criminals, narco terrorists, and Al Qaida

But a lawless nation is what they want...in order to bring about the 3rd world dictatorship the elite crave..


17 posted on 07/07/2005 9:58:20 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Does the Red Crescent have falafel dollies?)
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To: Redcloak

I can't believe the Gubernator would sign such a bill. Even a meathead like him should have more sense.

His attorney must have his head up his butt.


18 posted on 07/07/2005 9:58:30 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: meatloaf

I believe the bill addresses that - it will be illegal to ship brass (and possibly bullets) into the PRK without the serial number engraved on each one. It will be illegal to assemble ammunition without these serial numbers.

Hmm. What happens to serial numbered brass if it is reloaded?

Lotta silly stuff here, but what do you expect from the PRK?


19 posted on 07/07/2005 10:09:13 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

We're all in this together.


20 posted on 07/07/2005 10:12:14 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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