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The Same Old, Same Old . . .
July 8, 2005 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/08/2005 5:10:55 AM PDT by mal

The British may react very differently than the Spanish did after Madrid — by doing nothing rather than by retreating from Iraq.

In the corrupt West these days, that is something.

We all know the score of this war now in the near four years since September 11. The London bombings should remind us how the old tired game works.

Causes Failed states in the Middle East — autocratic, statist, unfree, intolerant of women and other religions — blame the West for their self-inflicted miseries. Sometimes they are theocratic, like the late Taliban or the current Iranian mullahs. But more often they are dictatorial like the Syrians, Pakistanis, Saudis, or Egyptians, who all, in varying degrees and in lieu of reform, have come to accommodations with the terrorists to shift popular anguish onto the West and the Jews.

That is the Petri dish of Islamic fascism, an evil that will only disappear when the dictatorships that allow it or nourish it do as well. Whether the jihadists are in Iraq, the United States, or Europe, they all share a sick notion that someone else (the decadent Western oppressor and unbeliever) is responsible for their own poverty and backwardness rather than the fundamentalism, corruption, bias, and intolerance endemic to the Middle East.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: jihad; jihadists; london; vdh; victordavishanson; waronterror; wot; wwiv
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1 posted on 07/08/2005 5:10:56 AM PDT by mal
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To: mal

It's Bush's fault.


2 posted on 07/08/2005 5:17:35 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: mal; Tolik

ping


3 posted on 07/08/2005 5:19:13 AM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: mal

Could I have a link to the article, please? VDH would never write something that short! ;)


4 posted on 07/08/2005 5:19:20 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Leapfrog

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200507080811.asp


5 posted on 07/08/2005 5:21:07 AM PDT by mal
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To: Leapfrog

Pretty much.

I listened to Al Franken yesterday for the Communists' take on the London attacks.

It took about 20 seconds to make a joke about Bush, and within 4 minutes was talking about global warming/Kyoto.


6 posted on 07/08/2005 5:21:13 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Gefreiter

Nice to see he's taking terrorism seriously. /sarcasm


7 posted on 07/08/2005 5:22:05 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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The British may react very differently than the Spanish did after Madrid — by doing nothing rather than by retreating from Iraq.

In the corrupt West these days, that is something.

We all know the score of this war now in the near four years since September 11. The London bombings should remind us how the old tired game works.

Causes

Failed states in the Middle East — autocratic, statist, unfree, intolerant of women and other religions — blame the West for their self-inflicted miseries. Sometimes they are theocratic, like the late Taliban or the current Iranian mullahs. But more often they are dictatorial like the Syrians, Pakistanis, Saudis, or Egyptians, who all, in varying degrees and in lieu of reform, have come to accommodations with the terrorists to shift popular anguish onto the West and the Jews.

That is the Petri dish of Islamic fascism, an evil that will only disappear when the dictatorships that allow it or nourish it do as well. Whether the jihadists are in Iraq, the United States, or Europe, they all share a sick notion that someone else (the decadent Western oppressor and unbeliever) is responsible for their own poverty and backwardness rather than the fundamentalism, corruption, bias, and intolerance endemic to the Middle East.

Propaganda

In WWII we didn’t care much whether in fighting Bushido some thought we were in a war against Buddhists. We weren’t, and that was enough.

We knew the enemy were Nazis, not simply Germans, and didn’t froth and whine to prove that distinction.

But not now.

To criticize Islamic fascism is supposedly to be unfair to Islam, so we allow on our own shores mullahs and madrassas to spread hatred and intolerance, as part of our illiberal acceptance of “not offending Islam.”

It is not that we don’t believe in Western values as much as we don’t even know what they are anymore. The London bombings were only a reification of what goes on daily with impunity blocks away in the mosques and Islamist schools of London.

The enemy knows that and thrives on it. That refuge in religion is why imams shout that “Islam doesn’t condone such things” — even as bin Laden has become a folk hero on the Arab Street. Jihadists sense that even here at home more Americans are more concerned about a flushed Koran at Guantanamo Bay than five Americans fighting for the Iraqi jihadists or Taliban sympathizers in Lodi, California.

As long as there is not any price to be paid for Islamism, either by governments abroad or purveyors of its hatred in the West, the propaganda works and the killing will go on. But when a renegade Saudi Prince, Pakistani general, London imam, or Lodi mosque leader screams out to the jihadist, “Stop that before those crazy Americans really do go to war,” the war, in fact, will be over and won.

Methods

Terror is the signature of the Islamist: hit, back off; hit, back off — hoping in a few years to erode the will and nerve of affluent and leisured Western countries.

Bin Laden has so far only made one mistake: He took down the entire World Trade Center rather than the top floors, and had the misfortune of having George Bush as president. Thus he lost Afghanistan and ended up with democratic reform from Iraq and Lebanon to the Gulf and Egypt. Train bombings in Madrid and bus explosions in London, like the carnage in Iraq, are preferable, since they are enough to terrify and demoralize the Westerner but not quite enough to knock sense into him that only military resistance and victory will save his civilization.

So the attacks will never quite be of such a stature to convince Western voters that one more such explosion will destroy their societies. The trick is instead to wage war insidiously, incrementally, and stealthily to avoid an overwhelming response. A cooling-off period in between 9/11 and 7/7 in which Western apologists, pacifists, and Islamist sympathizers go to work is essential for the terror to continue.

Second, the denial of culpability is equally critical: a Syria, Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia must always be able to profess that it deplores terrorism, and that to its knowledge no jihadists are in transit on its territory; bin Laden & co. are not in its country; and its royal family are not funding killers. Within Europe itself, a madrassa that indoctrinates directionless youth, or an imam who shouts hatred to his audience, must always simultaneously when called upon “condemn” terrorism, and then seek victimhood when the rare scrutiny of an outraged public nears.

Finally Western self-loathing and guilt is essential: A fascist agenda of the jihadist — religious persecution, gender apartheid, racism, militarist autocracy, and xenophobia — all that must be embedded deeply within the postmodern landscape of the oppressed. A non-Christian and non-Western “other” can mask his venom only through victim status, grafting his cause to the same exploited groups that seek from Western society benefaction and compensation.

Aims

The jihadists expect that Westerners will slink out of the Middle East, allowing fascist fundamentalists to gain control of half the world’s oil and thus buy enough weapons to blackmail their way back to the caliphate.

Destroying Israel, killing Christians in Africa, running Westerners out of the Middle East, Pakistan, Indonesia, or Bali, all that is mere relish. In Europe, the goal for the unhinged is the creation of another al Andalus; for the more calculating it is enough intimidation and terror to carve out zones of Muslim sanctuary, where millions can live parasite-like, within the largess of Western society, but without its bothersome liberal agenda of freedom and equality, in hopes of implanting the universal law of sharia.

So here we are. Even though the killers profess revenge equally for Afghanistan (the so-called “right” war), they expect Westerners to scream “Iraq.”

Even though such bombings are predicated on infiltration, careful stealthy reconnaissance, and long sojourns within London, expect cries of anguish and worrying about the stereotyping of Middle Eastern males.

Look for the same scripted crocodile tears and “concern” from the Middle East’s illegitimate leaders, even as much of the Islamic Street takes a secret delight in the daring of the jihadists, and the governments sense relief that the target was Westerners and not themselves.

Anticipate Western leaders condemning the terrorists in the same breadth as they call for “eliminating poverty” and “bringing them to justice” — as if the jihadists and their patrons are mere wayward and impoverished felons.

In the short term, Bush and Blair will appear as islands in the storm amid an angry and anguished public. But as 7/7 fades, as did 9/11, expect them to become even more unpopular, as the voices of appeasement assure us that if they just go away, maybe so will the terrorists.

It is our task, each of us according to our station, to speak the truth to all these falsehoods, and remember that we did not inherit a wonderful civilization just to lose it to the Dark Ages.

Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His website is victorhanson.com.
 


8 posted on 07/08/2005 5:26:44 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: mal

BTTT


9 posted on 07/08/2005 5:28:46 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: mal; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...
It is our task, each of us according to our station, to speak the truth to all these falsehoods, and remember that we did not inherit a wonderful civilization just to lose it to the Dark Ages.



    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

10 posted on 07/08/2005 5:30:08 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Gefreiter

Yeah, I sometimes listen to NPR while driving. It can get sickening.


11 posted on 07/08/2005 5:33:59 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: bitt
Thank you.

VDH BUMP.
It is our task, each of us according to our station, to speak the truth to all these falsehoods, and remember that we did not inherit a wonderful civilization just to lose it to the Dark Ages.

Victor Davis Hanson


12 posted on 07/08/2005 5:35:17 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: sauropod

mark


13 posted on 07/08/2005 5:38:16 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Tolik

bttt


14 posted on 07/08/2005 5:43:17 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (I think it's true what they say 'bout the squeeky wheel ~ always gettin' the grease)
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To: mainepatsfan; Leapfrog

Franken seemed to take the attack seriously, but it just made my blood boil that he could talk about in the context of Kyoto, Nigerian yellowcake, et al.

We had 40-odd Britons blown up and hundreds more wounded and this f*ckwit seemed to see it as another story, no more important than the other Lefty agenda items.

Oh, and of course he worked in a "we support the troops" remark as well. Sounded really sincere too *rolls eyes*

What a f*cking turd.


15 posted on 07/08/2005 5:52:05 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Tolik

I didn't see any answers in this article either.

Of course, you can't give the answer and still publish, have a radio show or post to Free Republic.


16 posted on 07/08/2005 5:55:08 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Gefreiter

Lefties believe all they have to do to support our troops is to say that they do.


17 posted on 07/08/2005 6:00:11 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mal
The enemy knows that and thrives on it. That refuge in religion is why imams shout that “Islam doesn’t condone such things” — even as bin Laden has become a folk hero on the Arab Street. Jihadists sense that even here at home more Americans are more concerned about a flushed Koran at Guantanamo Bay than five Americans fighting for the Iraqi jihadists or Taliban sympathizers in Lodi, California.

In fact, it is the only the crazy MSM and certain Dem leaders who care a whit about this. Most of the people think we should just execute the b*st*rds!

18 posted on 07/08/2005 6:01:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I hear you! Actually the anwer is in there. Also heard VDH on John Batchelor last night. As always, a clear voice of reason. We have to stop putting up with the Islamists - ok, Islama-whackos - preaching hatred and fascism in our midst and ignore their claim of victim status. We have to be a lot less finicky on the military side too, and just go after those we see as sponsoring terrorism, and eschew the UN-dance steps.


19 posted on 07/08/2005 6:08:59 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; NewLand; All

A MUST READ AND SENT TO ALL YOUR MAILING LIST ADDY'S...RTO

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/hanson/hanson200507080811.asp


20 posted on 07/08/2005 6:10:59 AM PDT by visitor (...and the dems wonder why they lost and will continue to lose, good riddance)
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