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Hybrid vehicles threaten commuters' trip in the fast lane
San Diego Union -Tribune ^ | 7/8/05 | Brian Westley - AP

Posted on 07/08/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Auntie Mame

That is not typical. Generally, these cars do about as well as the Jetta TDI.


61 posted on 07/08/2005 10:17:53 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Auntie Mame

Incidentally, I got 50 mpg twenty years ago with a Nissan Sentra Diesel.


62 posted on 07/08/2005 10:20:21 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: NormsRevenge

Buying a motorcycle did the same for me back in 1996. It is actually FUN as well.


63 posted on 07/08/2005 10:23:22 AM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: NormsRevenge

Use toll roads. There are already toll roads in Florida and other states where the car just needs a simple electronic tag. The toll lanes automatically deduct the toll fee from an account. The car just slows down to maybe 30 MPH without stopping. (It will get better.) HOV lanes would have higher tolls. Let the market control traffic congestion. Also, it's the people that use the roads that pay for it.


64 posted on 07/08/2005 10:23:46 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: Little Pig

"How is this any different from allowing single-rider motorcycles in carpool/HOV lanes"

Simple. A motorcycle takes up very little space. It may not sound like it would matter but it does. As a motorcycle commuter I can tell you it most definitely does.


65 posted on 07/08/2005 10:26:09 AM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: NormsRevenge
Kristine Johnson, who does not own a hybrid. To travel in the car pool lane, she lingers at a commuter lot until two strangers agree to ride with her.

HELLO Sailor! Wanna ride to work together? (wink, wink)

Sounds like a darwin award candidate.

66 posted on 07/08/2005 10:27:39 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: edcoil

You are allowed to use them. You choose not to.


67 posted on 07/08/2005 10:28:09 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: RobRoy

I thought bikes were assumed to take up the same space in a lane as a car. Granted, bikers tend to reduce the following distances, but I wouldn't think that would make all that much difference in a single-lane environment.


On a slightly-related subject, do you happen to have any stats showing the relative safety of bike commuting vs. car commuting? I haven't been able to find anything specific to that, and don't really have the patience to plow through the raw DOT/NHTSA data to reconstruct it into a meaningful (read: unbiased) picture of motorcycling.


68 posted on 07/08/2005 10:31:33 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge
Man, I got stuck going through DC rush hour on vacation. What a nightmare! They need 6 lanes in either direction on 95, just like NYC.

she lingers at a commuter lot until two strangers agree to ride with her.

This sounds like a bad idea.

69 posted on 07/08/2005 10:41:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Little Pig

Motorcycling is much more dangerous than driving. The thing is, almost anyone can drive a car without getting into too much trouble if they are careful. That is not enough for handling a motorcycle.

In a few years I put over 40,000 miles on my bike and I can tell you that it not only requires your constant attention, but even that is not enough for many people. It really is an aptitude thing. Many people simply should never own or ride a motorcycle, no matter how careful they are. They are quite literally an accident waiting to happen.

The size thing matters because a motorcycle can pass between cars if necessary. It can also easily use the shoulder for an escape route when it would be impractical or impossible with a car. Motorcycles also compress following distance when following other motorcycles. Without riding side by side, one can take the left rut and the other take the right. Although one is following the other technically, they are in separate "motorcycle lanes" within a single car lane.

Also, I am able to exploit gaps in traffic that even a tiny hybrid could not navigate without hitting something. I do it several times per commute.


70 posted on 07/08/2005 10:46:30 AM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: antivenom

not to insult truckers but i can't stand them on the freeway. they always seem to be in the way, blocking multiple lanes of traffic here. i have almost been in countless accidents because of them, due to the fact that they are always slower moving than the rest of traffic.
however, my solution is different than most peoples, i'd rather they be allowed to run at the higher speeds as everyone else, its the speed differential that causes most problems and backup around here (55 for trucks, 70 for the rest)


71 posted on 07/08/2005 10:47:06 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: D Rider
Most the power of an automobile is for acceleration. In a standard auto this requires that the engine be sized for such. In a hybrid, the engine provides cruising speed and battery charging. The acceleration power is provided by the addition of electric power. The overall engine size is reduced and therefore consumes less energy. This is why they have diesel-electric trains, (where the idea came from.)

And braking energy, that's usually dissipated in friction and heat in a gas-powered car, is used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid. That's the "free lunch" benefit of hybrids.

72 posted on 07/08/2005 10:49:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: B Knotts
Incidentally, I got 50 mpg twenty years ago with a Nissan Sentra Diesel.

Then why not a diesel hybrid?

73 posted on 07/08/2005 10:52:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NormsRevenge

Buy a riceburner, then reward people driving those ugly things. Yea right.


74 posted on 07/08/2005 10:54:20 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: RobRoy

I am aware of the necessity for awareness when riding, as I have been riding since I was 9 (starting on dirtbikes, obviously). I have owned 5 different road bikes, the last being a zx-11. The only two "accidents" I ever had both occured under 5mph, with only me on the bike, and involved the bike simply going over (once because of a patch of soft dirt on a back road, and once due to a puddle of oil in a parking lot). I am mostly looking for ammunition to help educate my wife that motorcycles aren't the guaranteed death warrant she has come to see them as. I am not entirely sure how she came to that conclusion, since I had a bike when we met, and she actually enjoyed going on rides, but even if it doesn't result in my being able to get another bike, I'd like to help her change her attitude.


75 posted on 07/08/2005 10:55:08 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: edcoil

I drive a hybrid, the Prius. Here in NC there aren't that many HOV lanes, and I don't think single person hybrid cars can use them, but I don't get the fuss. This sounds like the libs crying because some people earn more because they work harder. If you don't like it, or want to drive in the HOV lane, get a hybrid or a passenger. Sheesh.


76 posted on 07/08/2005 10:58:38 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NYorkerInHouston

I have a Prius, too. At highway speeds I think both the gas and electric motors are running, but it still takes less gas....


77 posted on 07/08/2005 11:00:10 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: B Knotts

Yeah, I got in the 40s with an old 89 civic hatch, 87 unleaded gas. I get 30 plus in my 02 protege 5, and 30 in a 91 prizm. Not too far from the hybrids really, without the battery/power issues. I use synthentic oil in the cars, use torque and momentum rather than overshifting, and throw in a bottle of lucas fuel additive once every 4 or 5 fillups.


78 posted on 07/08/2005 11:03:19 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Little Pig
I don't think there is any direct connection between the engine and the wheels on modern locomotives (at least here in the US).

Very true, but that it the concept. In a modern locomotive, the diesil engine is purely a generator.

79 posted on 07/08/2005 11:08:54 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Aquinasfan
One of the benefits of electric engines, it that they can also be generators as when used for braking.
80 posted on 07/08/2005 11:10:44 AM PDT by D Rider
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