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Jail for Judith Miller
The Washington Times ^ | July 8, 2005 | Op-Ed

Posted on 07/08/2005 9:46:11 AM PDT by andyk

You don't have to like newspapers -- and a lot of people don't -- to understand that the jailing of Judith Miller for keeping her word to a source is a sad day for all of us, including those who think it's a good idea to put reporters in their place.

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Forty-nine of the states, together with the District of Columbia, have laws in place to protect such sources. These laws were not enacted for the convenience of newspapers, but to buttress the guarantees of the First Amendment that are the heritage of all of us.

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Every one of us, including Judge Hogan and Prosecutor Fitzgerald, are in her debt. She is clearly the best and biggest man in this sordid episode of justice having run off the rails.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
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To: Brilliant
They put her in with the men?

I guess it was supposed to be a compliment, albeit a very, very odd one.
41 posted on 07/08/2005 10:08:25 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Gipper08

You are mixing apples and oranges on this thread.


42 posted on 07/08/2005 10:08:48 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom
Total joke! Why would anyone defend a source when that source has lifted confidentiality is what I want to know?

Ms. Miller's source doesn't really want to be outed.

Gee, wonder why?

43 posted on 07/08/2005 10:08:51 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: YaYa123
Let's get one thing straight: she is an excellent reporter and is extremely knowledgeable about the Mideast and WMD's particularly chemical and Bio weapons.
She believed that Saddam had WMDs and has excellent sources in the Mideast, as she is usually on the money. Although she writes for the NYT her articles are usually factual and do not show a political bias.
44 posted on 07/08/2005 10:11:10 AM PDT by ozdragon
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To: Gipper08
No,MY point is when we have a liberal(Marxist) president I want whistle blowers to come forward about corruption.

Believe me, so do I. But you're making the mistake of assuming that everyone who talks to the press "off the record" is a legitimate whistleblower exposing legitimate corruption in government. Some people who talk to the press off the record are irresponsible rumormongers and conspiracy theorists, and some of them are outright liars and charlatans, and these people deserve absolutely no protection whatsoever.

45 posted on 07/08/2005 10:13:19 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Servant of the 9
Who, in this day of Blogs is a Journalist?

I was thinking this same thing when I read this article. No one can even agree on a definition of the press (re: campaign finance reform), but the press should be shielded from revealing sources?

Unless someone can make an argument that the original meaning of "freedom of the press", as enshrined in the US Constitution, was intended to convey special protection for concealing anonymous sources, I've got no sympathy for Ms. Miller.
46 posted on 07/08/2005 10:13:38 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: ozdragon

You didn't have time to read my link, so you knew all that on your own. Congratulations! Most folks just assume she's one more left-leaning msm whore.


47 posted on 07/08/2005 10:13:44 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@When Nothing Could Be Further From The Truth.com)
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To: thoughtomator
She can feel free to claim the 5th if testifying would incriminate her, but simply being a reporter does not give her the right to refuse to testify

IMHO, it doesn't get much clearer than this.
48 posted on 07/08/2005 10:15:57 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: PhiKapMom
No. Bill Gertz had a leak who told Gertz about secret dealings with DOD,Hughes and Lorel and China.The leaker "leaked" classified material.The leaker did this because Bill Clinton was jeopardizing our national security.Clinton wanted Gertz to reveal his source.Clinton wanted to throw the Patriot who leaked,and Gertz in jail.
The Government,whether Republican or Democrat I do not trust.This happened all the time under Clinton.We must have true Patriots willing to leak when our government goes beyond the consent of the governed and endangers the people.
49 posted on 07/08/2005 10:16:02 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: jpl

I do not want a judge to make that distinction.


50 posted on 07/08/2005 10:16:43 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: ozdragon
extremely knowledgeable about the Mideast and WMD's

She whipped up a lot of hysteria post-9/11 appearing on Oprah and all the TV shows. A lot of what she said about WMD turned out not to be true.

One of her main sources was Chalabi. I believe he's been largely discredited since then.

I'm glad she's sitting in prison. Reporters must talk in court just like the rest of us. If they didn't have professional legal accountability they could print whatever they liked...even more than they do now.

51 posted on 07/08/2005 10:18:09 AM PDT by what's up
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To: andyk
I saw Bill Sammon on the Fox roundtable take this position and I was surprised. As to this:

Bill Keller, the executive editor of the New York Times who is Ms. Miller's boss, got it exactly right: Her decision to go to jail rather than betray a confidence

The source has signed a waiver releasing her from her promise of confidentiality. Yes, I know the reporters claim this administration coerced the waivers, but that is complete B.S.

52 posted on 07/08/2005 10:19:20 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: YaYa123

Interesting link, thanks.


53 posted on 07/08/2005 10:25:46 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Gipper08
I do not want a judge to make that distinction.

Well, I'm afraid that when a possible crime has been committed (like in this case, which is why there's a Special Prosecutor and grand jury proceedings going on), the judge is the person who is responsible for making those kinds of distinctions. That's just the way our system works.

54 posted on 07/08/2005 10:26:05 AM PDT by jpl
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To: PhiKapMom

Judith Miller's source has lifted confidentiality?


55 posted on 07/08/2005 10:28:22 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk
More from the piece:

It's not clear what crime, if any, Ms. Miller committed. Indeed, it's not even clear there was a crime. She was jailed by U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan because she refused to say whom she had talked to

First, it's not just Judge Hogan. There's a unanimous 3 judge Appeals Court ruling that upheld the citation and the full panel and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to overturn it.

As to "refused to say whom she had talked to", I don't think this is correct.

The Appeals Court ruling (page 6) refers to her subpoena asking for information about a "specified government official". While the ruling omitted the name to keep it secret, I got the distinct impression the actual subpoena names the official, therefore they don't want to know "whom", they want her to discuss the substance (including what was said about Iraq attempting to obtain uranium).

What a disappointment the Washington Times is in this case. Look at this:

He persuaded the judge to take it out on somebody, and Judith Miller was elected.

Judge Hogan no doubt felt the majesty of his authority slighted, and was easily persuaded by Mr. Fitzgerald to rescue him from the tangles of what is obviously a botched investigation.

This editorial is positively surreal. Again ignoring the numerous judges who have read volumes of documents on the case---many redacted for public reading---that explained why Fitzgerald requires her testimony and more than just Judge Hogan agreed that he has demonstrated it.

56 posted on 07/08/2005 10:29:33 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Pat The Postman
The press has a special place in a free society. Only a Pravda reporter is at all times an obliging fairy to the powers that be. Not so in a free country. Flame away.

Lot's of groups have special places in society. However, that does not make them above the law, nor does it entitle them to special treatment. If a country chooses to forsake equal protection under the law for special reporter privileges, that's one thing, but we have done no such thing within the first amendment of the US Constitution, nor do I believe we should have.

IMHO, there's nothing intrinsically special about Ms. Miller which should preclude her from revealing, in sealed testimony, her source. She does not have the right to claim special privileges in order to shield someone who may have broken the law.
57 posted on 07/08/2005 10:34:56 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Gipper08
wait till Hillary is POTUS and she starts throwing conservative writers in jail.

The President isn't throwing reporters in jail (besides--if the lefty theory that someone in his circle is the real criminal, why would he be coercing reporters to spill the beans, hmmmmmmmmm? but I digress since it was clear from day one that the President and his supporters had done nothing wrong).

Judges (many) have looked at the evidence (which is more than the idiotic Plame name) and unanimously agreed the reporters' testimony is required in this case.

If I have to go through a few lies now and then,so be it.

I believe you when you say you are willing to accept lies.

58 posted on 07/08/2005 10:35:37 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
It's not clear what crime, if any, Ms. Miller committed.

LOL. It's called "contempt of court", the usual citation handed down when a person refuses to obey a judge's order during judicial proceedings. It couldn't possibly be more clear.

59 posted on 07/08/2005 10:35:48 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Pat The Postman

I hope you read my informative posts that will correct your base of knowledge about what the facts are.


60 posted on 07/08/2005 10:37:42 AM PDT by cyncooper
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