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China Debuts Aegis Destroyers
SIGNAL: AFCEA Official Publication ^ | July 2005 | James C. Bussert

Posted on 07/08/2005 10:27:26 AM PDT by spetznaz

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Interesting article. Even more interesting when meshed with the other things that China is doing ...for example initiating a rather ambitious submarine crew training regimen, or for that matter certain training exercises whereby they had MLRS missile systems on Cargo ships and would practice firing them en masse (I have some pics of that, although the question is why would anyone need to train on the use of MLRS systems on cargo ships ....unless ofcourse it was to practice a stratagem whereby cargo ships could be used as one-use first-strike platforms against harbor targets). Anyways, enjoy.
1 posted on 07/08/2005 10:27:28 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: phoenix_004; Spktyr; Jeff Head; Southack

Ping.


2 posted on 07/08/2005 10:28:06 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: spetznaz

And Clinton's cash is being wired to him in Hong Dollars today


3 posted on 07/08/2005 10:28:26 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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Thanks Bill!! My what a great President..


4 posted on 07/08/2005 10:28:40 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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I will ping you to a thread I posted about a new site that documents all of the Chinese naval buildup, including this, and then compares what they are producing to their US Navy counterparts. The shear volume of production going on right now in their naval shipyards is phenominal.

Here is the thread:

Rising Sea Dragon in Asia Web Site Launched

...and here is the site:


5 posted on 07/08/2005 10:32:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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So, I'm reading about this new "Chinese" destroyer, and I keep seeing "Italian", "French", and "Russian".

Does anybody ask, when their taking the P.O.s from the Chinese whether--I dunno, maybe--this might not be the best thing to do for their national interest?

6 posted on 07/08/2005 10:32:12 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks.


7 posted on 07/08/2005 10:32:57 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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This is so worrisome.


8 posted on 07/08/2005 10:34:16 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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They are certainly doing their best to create a "blue water" navy, including stealing technology, purchasing systems, and a pretty hefty financial investment. While some of these vessels are impressive, it takes a generation to develop an ocean going force and to be able to use operational level tactics. Also, I still think that they have no answer to our Virginia and Seawolf class subs.

I still think that their best chance of success is a quick strike at Taiwan that coincides with a lot of threats to cause casualties to American and Japanese forces. Unless properly framed, the Democrats, mainstream media, and most people have no stomach for fighting China. They could win by forfeit on our part.

9 posted on 07/08/2005 10:34:39 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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Another pic of the Chinese ship.

10 posted on 07/08/2005 10:35:57 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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Reviewer: Dr. Frank Stech (Glenndale, MD USA) - See all my reviews

From 1940 to 1943 nine German surface raiders effectively used deception against both merchantmen and warships. These disguised auxiliary cruisers sank or captured 140 ships (including the cruiser HMAS Sydney), totaling over one million tons, and greatly disrupted British and American shipping in the South Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian Oceans The Kriegsmarine's surface commerce raiders of WW II were elaborations of the raiders of the Great War (such as Emden).... Far more effective were the deceptive commerce raiders, converted from fast banana boats of 3,000 to 9,000 tons, masquerading as merchant or passenger ships, and luring other surface vessels into gun or torpedo range for capture or sinking. While the Royal Navy kept the German battlewagons bottled up, the commerce raiders consistently slipped the British blockade. Once loose, they proved deadlier than U-boats.

11 posted on 07/08/2005 10:39:58 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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Beat ya to this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1436878/posts


12 posted on 07/08/2005 10:40:26 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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I guess it's true then that the more things change the more they stay the same.


13 posted on 07/08/2005 10:41:07 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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Are they going to name any of their new aegis type ships the "PLAN Clinton"? I mean they should honor the traitor who ensured that they jumped 10 years ahead in their technology.


14 posted on 07/08/2005 10:41:27 AM PDT by JSteff
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To: spetznaz

Bump.


15 posted on 07/08/2005 10:42:17 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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Yep...so lets sell our American refineries to the Chi Coms
we all ready gave them OUR canal...and allowed them to build
the largest container port and cargo airport in the world
in our back yard...


16 posted on 07/08/2005 10:43:05 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Does the Red Crescent have falafel dollies?)
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Two words: Carrier escorts.


17 posted on 07/08/2005 10:46:21 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I still think that they have no answer to our Virginia and Seawolf class subs.

That is where the economic warfare they are practicing comes in. All they need do is implode our economy by withdrawing all the Treasuries invested monies they skimmed off the top of the outsourcing. Currently at $660 billion. The U.S. will then be forced to collapse its military weapons procurement spending even more than GWB has been doing. The Seawolf was already terminated at three ships by Cheney in '02, and the Virginia class could follow it next.

18 posted on 07/08/2005 10:46:36 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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Natch! They'll need awl for those ships...


19 posted on 07/08/2005 10:47:59 AM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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Friday, July 8, 2005

Union workers decry BIW hiring proposal
By MARK PETERS, Portland Press Herald Writer
Copyright © 2005 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.


BATH — Bath Iron Works' plan to replace 24 union workers with a private contractor drew hundreds of shipyard employees, labor leaders and Gov. John Baldacci to a rally Thursday in the shadow of the ship builder's cranes. The rally came as the company and its largest labor union agreed to open discussions on the outsourcing plan.

A bulletin from BIW President Dugan Shipway that circulated companywide this week said he will put off for three months plans to lay off the maintenance and janitorial workers and have a private contractor do their work.

Instead, BIW officials and union leaders will spend the coming weeks discussing how to find an estimated $700,000 in cost savings without having to use outside workers.

"Dugan (Shipway), choose. Are we going to build ships, or are we going to fight?" said Mike Keenan, president of 3,850-member local S6 of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

The rally and the attention of both labor and elected leaders show the issue is about more than 24 jobs. It involves the potential for more outsourcing at the shipyard, the overall future of one of the state's largest employers and ongoing relations between labor and management at BIW.

Union leaders fear that if BIW management can contract with Massachusetts-based UNICCO for maintenance work, then the shipyard could go further and hire other companies to do welding or painting. Speakers at the rally described this kind of outsourcing as a major threat to well-paying union jobs.

"Everyone realizes we are the stepping stone," said Rodney Wright, a maintenance worker at BIW who would be laid off if the company goes with a private contractor.

Wright has a son on his way to college and a daughter in high school. The prospect of being out of work after 24 years at BIW is daunting. The question his family asks most days when he gets home is whether there was any news at work.

But as union officials look to preserve jobs that pay an average of $19.07 an hour plus benefits, BIW management is scouring its operations in search of greater efficiency.

The Navy is considering major changes that could put BIW in an all-or-nothing competition with Mississippi-based Ingalls Shipyard to build the next generation of ships. If approved, efficiency could be a critical factor in the awarding of bids.

Workers say they want the shipyard to be competitive, but eliminating the maintenance and janitorial jobs will not result in greater efficiency. Keenan said the union will present Shipway with a list of $700,000 in proposed savings as alternatives to outsourcing.

After the rally, Baldacci said that he attended it to make sure both sides continue to work toward an agreement. The governor told the crowd that BIW's decision to wait three months is a first step.

"It is important that we don't allow . . . circumstances to continue to unravel," Baldacci said. "It is my responsibility to keep the parties talking together and working together. They're going to be resolving it amongst themselves."

The union has blamed the dispute on Shipway, who took over leadership of the shipyard two years ago. He was singled out on signs reading "Who's Next - Dugan??," and in speeches and calls from the crowd of workers.

House Speaker John Richardson, a Brunswick Democrat, said BIW leaders should not allow a relatively small amount of jobs and money to break down several years of good relationships between labor and management.

The issue in the coming days is expected to shift from the street in front of BIW to a negotiating table. BIW officials declined to comment Thursday on negotiations over the outsourcing issue, but Keenan said he was optimistic the matter could be dealt with in a week.

The union plans to assert that outsourcing is off the table and that the company needs to look elsewhere to find savings, Keenan said. If not, workers plan to picket the shipyard later this month when a destroyer is christened.

Staff Writer Mark Peters can be contacted at 791-6325 or at:

mpeters@pressherald.com


20 posted on 07/08/2005 10:49:57 AM PDT by cp124 (They will buy what we don't make. - Globalist Manifesto)
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