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Teleportation: Express Lane Space Travel
Space.com ^ | 08 July 2005 | Leonard David

Posted on 07/08/2005 10:47:06 AM PDT by demlosers

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To: demlosers

No way in Hades I'm gettin' in that machine! A copy of me is not me. If they need my talents (lol) on Planet X so blamed badly, they'd better darn well figure out how to send a copy without skinning the original, excruciating nano-layer by excruciating nano-layer, alive.


41 posted on 07/08/2005 12:12:38 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: demlosers
OK, so what happens when the Microsoft OS running the teleportation device, blue screens in mid-teleport?

Hello...yeah, this is tech support, are you sure you have enough RAM on the teleporter? OK, well in that case, I need you to shut down and reboot the system.

Like others have said, no thanks.

On a more sinister note, our terrorist friends would not be doing anything nice with one of these devices.

Best Regards

Sergio
42 posted on 07/08/2005 12:14:04 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Hugin; Phsstpok
We will soon need the ARM.

I'm quite serious. Setting aside the moral dilemmas created be technology, unless we are willing to totally discount the possibility of a "technoclysm", we must be prepared to regulate emerging technologies and possibly even supress the more dangerous ones. An agency like the ARM could become the only thing standing between us and a fate not unlike Drexler's "Grey goo".

Niven's early work was sometimes uncomfortably prescient.

43 posted on 07/08/2005 12:19:14 PM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Darkwolf
When Multivac absorbs all of mankind at the end of Asimov's "The Final Question?" the only question left unanswered is "Can Entropy be Reversed". Kinda like the answer.

I recently picked up his second autobiography since Asimov is undiscovered territory nowadays! When I watch CSPAN Booknotes and they speak to a "prolific author of 20 books, I laugh to myself since Asimov wrote more than that in a single year!!!

Good luck with your renewed efforts!

YW

44 posted on 07/08/2005 12:22:15 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: petro45acp
:-)

One of my favorite movies.

45 posted on 07/08/2005 12:23:03 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: demlosers


May the Force be with you

46 posted on 07/08/2005 12:25:24 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: Darkwolf
...teleportation KILLS YOU!

That is why only material objects will utilize 'teleportation', instead allowing living beings to undergo it. The advantage being that not only can you teleport one object, you will also be able to create unlimited replicas of them once they have been scanned into 'memory'.

Living beings will travel through what is commonly referred to today as a 'wormhole'; bending the spacetime continuum so that one moment you are at one defined point, and the next you are in another. Hollywood special effects notwithstanding, scientists and engineers already have some understanding of how to accomplish this, which is actually easier from a technical standpoint than the requirements for teleportation. Teleportation is currently not-ready-for-primetime because of technical difficulties, while 'wormhole' travel is not because of energy demands.

47 posted on 07/08/2005 12:25:34 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: B Knotts

LOL. I love that movie (although they could have picked someone better than Sigourney Weaver to play Gwen).


48 posted on 07/08/2005 12:27:51 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: inquest

Instantaneously. The limitation of the 'speed of light' is not a limitation for every particle or subparticle in the universe. Instead of attempting to surpass the speed of ligh, think of sidestepping that by travelling in a different manner.


49 posted on 07/08/2005 12:30:50 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: Utilizer
'wormhole' travel is not because of energy demands.

I thought it was because they were theoretical. Didn't Hawking recently retract a lot of his ideas about wormholes, which makes the Einstein-Rosen Bridge idea non-operational, so to speak?

50 posted on 07/08/2005 12:32:30 PM PDT by Darkwolf
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To: Young Werther
I just gave a friend a copy of "I, Asimov," which I found so much more enjoyable than his autobiographies (I think I reached page 150 of the first volume and bailed). There's also a new bio of Asimov out, an update of one written not long after his death.

As to my rediscovery, something interesting has happened--I've found the old stuff much more palatable. With the notable exceptions of Greg Benford (with whom I've corresponded briefly, what a cool guy), John Varley (liberal as they come) and Ted Chiang, most of the new stuff just leaves me cold. I am much more interested in character-oriented stuff than technical stuff, and Clarke, Heinlein and Simak are giving me what I want from SF. I can't get enough of these three.

51 posted on 07/08/2005 12:35:44 PM PDT by Darkwolf
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To: inquest
Were these beams teleported instantaneously?

Yes. In an earlier experiment by John Bell (not teleportation, but related), two particles were sent in opposite directions, and then something was done to one of them. The other reacted faster than the distance between them / the speed of light.

There is a loophole that prevents this from being an interesting case of time travel, however: you can force the coupled particles to "communicate" faster than light, but you can't tell them what to say. So you can't transfer information of your choosing faster than light--the information that you exchange is essentially random.

Speaking very loosely, teleportation will involve a similar loophole that prevents its use for time travel: the "jump" itself will be instantaneous, but setting up the jump will involve exchanging information no faster than the speed of light.

52 posted on 07/08/2005 12:53:19 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Darkwolf

No, the difficulty exists because currently the only way they have to achieve it (at least publicly) is by the brute-force method. While it would not be adviseable for Me to even hint on a public forum about the possibility of any personal knowledge that there exist ongoing experiments into the betterment of howto refine and use such technology lest a visit from certain governmental agencies occur to determine if any unauthorized information had come about **public disclaimer: I have *NO* knowledge of any such unauthorized release(s)** , take it as an article of faith that observations have occured and are occurring due to some unexpected results of certain experiments that could only be explained by the 'wormhole' effect, and resources are being brought to bear in that area.


53 posted on 07/08/2005 12:55:01 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: Utilizer

I'm still sticking by my "Find a really TALL guy and just have him THROW someone across the galaxy...I mean really, REALLY tall, as in artificial growth hormones by the tanker tall" idea. Oh, damn, did I patent that...?


54 posted on 07/08/2005 12:56:40 PM PDT by Darkwolf
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To: Darkwolf
Didn't Hawking recently retract a lot of his ideas about wormholes...

Sometimes science has to scurry to present explanations after observed effects, instead of the other way about.

55 posted on 07/08/2005 12:58:07 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: Darkwolf

That depends on your conception of the quantum-state of your soul. Mind you, the conversion of a person ENTIRELY into energy, the transmission of that energy, and re-configuration of that energy into its' original mass form is TECHNICALLY a possibility. . .transmission losses make it a chancy proposition.

OTOH, ANOTHER tack at teleportation is this: the particles which make up the atoms and molecules of your body have a overwhelmingly most probable location, where you are right now. But, potentially, each of those particles have a small possibility of being somewhere else. IF you could shift the most probable location WITHOUT losing structural coherency, you have workable teleportation.

The details, of course, are left for students with an especially alert mind to solve. . .


56 posted on 07/08/2005 1:00:37 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Salgak
OTOH, ANOTHER tack at teleportation is this: the particles which make up the atoms and molecules of your body have a overwhelmingly most probable location, where you are right now. But, potentially, each of those particles have a small possibility of being somewhere else. IF you could shift the most probable location WITHOUT losing structural coherency, you have workable teleportation.

I dunno. I examined some of these ideas in an (unpublished) story I wrote and one of the things I came up with was the whole idea of the soul being in another dimension but being rooted in the here and now because of the structural integrity, so to speak, of the body. If one's structure is reduced to charged particles, yer dead. I mean, a corpse has structural integrity but the "soul" (I'm an agnostic so make of that what you will) is no longer present; so what's it got to hold on to in the spacial dimension? I think when the body is converted to energy, that's it--to me it's like saying you can reverse an electrical charge and return it to a transformer while holding its "form", for want of a term.

I know it's unfashionable to say anything is impossible, like FTL, but...

57 posted on 07/08/2005 1:07:30 PM PDT by Darkwolf
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To: Darkwolf

Once we all become interchangeable, what difference will that make?


58 posted on 07/08/2005 1:18:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Old Professer

"You're next!"--Invasion of the Body Snatchers


59 posted on 07/08/2005 1:19:58 PM PDT by Darkwolf
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To: Young Werther

di-lithium?


60 posted on 07/08/2005 1:20:29 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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