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Was Rove a White House Source or Just Another Player?
Los Angeles Times ^ | July 8, 2005 | Richard B. Schmitt

Posted on 07/08/2005 11:17:29 PM PDT by YaYa123

Was it Karl Rove, after all?

Or is President Bush's long-time political adviser getting a bum rap, fueled by wishful thinking of administration critics?

Nearly two years to the day after Robert Novak blew the cover of a CIA operative in a newspaper column, the mystery of who might have leaked the identity of Valerie Plame to Novak and other journalists only seems to be deepening.

The latest tantalizing clue involves Rove and a conversation he had with a Time magazine reporter, Matthew Cooper, in the days before the Novak column appeared.

The conversation was disclosed last week by Rove's own lawyer, who adds that his client didn't identify Plame or do anything wrong. Nobody else knows precisely what the two men discussed then, but special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald apparently is interested in questioning Cooper about the conversation before wrapping up his investigation.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cialeak; karlrove; mattcooper; plamegate
More theories to ponder, and Lawrence O'Donnell is still a creepy liar.
1 posted on 07/08/2005 11:17:30 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: SuzanneC; JohnHuang2

middle of the night ping


2 posted on 07/08/2005 11:18:58 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@2Cents Worth Fan.com)
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To: YaYa123
Geez Louise, since Lyin' Joe Wilson's first acusation was KArl Rove, Karl Rove, Karl Rove....do ya think Matt Cooper might have talked to him?

And John Kerry even thinks Joe Wilson is lyin' because John Kerry dumped the website John Kerry set up to showcase Joe Wilson, www.restorehonesty.com. Kerry did that in the middle of his campaign. Even today, Restorehonesty.com sort of "exists". It just redirects you to the official Kerry site.

When John Kerry sez you're a liar, that's a expert (i.e., liar's) opinion.

3 posted on 07/08/2005 11:31:59 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: YaYa123
If the left had anything on Karl Rove or any other Bush employee, they would have used it back in October of last year in order to bring down GWB.

The Special Prosecutor in this case will show Joseph Wilson as the liar he is

4 posted on 07/08/2005 11:49:50 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: YaYa123
C'mon. Logic tells us the source was a liberal, probably Clinton appointee. If it were a conservative the press would have brought it out long ago. If it is a lib, they get to push their agenda for months alleging it was a conservative. When it turns out to be a Clinton appointee, the story will fall of the newspaper like a lead balloon. Just wait.
5 posted on 07/09/2005 3:09:35 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: wastoute

Consider this. Two reporters from lib rags know the story but won't publish. Do you think they would have sat on it if Rove or any conservative were the source? But a conservative gets wind of the story (but doesn't know the source) and publishes. Sounds like 2 + 2 to me. Lib source.


6 posted on 07/09/2005 3:12:59 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: YaYa123

This Rove/Cooper 'conversation' was initiated by Rove dialing Cooper? Or Cooper dialing Rove?


7 posted on 07/09/2005 5:25:09 AM PDT by abclily
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To: YaYa123

Wasn't Plame not even working in an undercover capacity??


8 posted on 07/09/2005 5:27:29 AM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: abclily

On another thread, the story was that Cooper called Rove.


9 posted on 07/09/2005 5:28:02 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

That is what I thought might have happened. When would Rove find it necessary to call Cooper? I could not imagine the conversation being initiated by Rove. How did the phone call come to light? By phone records? By Cooper volunteering the information?


10 posted on 07/09/2005 5:31:47 AM PDT by abclily
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To: YaYa123

The legs keep falling off this story, but yet the MSM keeps trying to paste them back on.


11 posted on 07/09/2005 5:33:35 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: abclily

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1439562/posts

This is a great post, of equal interest.


12 posted on 07/09/2005 5:36:34 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Lose, Whine, Lie......Lose, Whine, Lie....Libs In A Nut Shell.com)
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To: YaYa123

Valerie Plame was NEVER undercover. Never.


13 posted on 07/09/2005 5:37:02 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: sam_whiskey

Correct. She was NEVER undercover.


14 posted on 07/09/2005 5:37:36 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: KC_Conspirator

This entire matter is crap. It was fueled by Wilson when he worked for the Kerry campaign. There is no reason at all for the reporters to go to jail. Get Wilson to testify before the grand jury. Call John Kerry and his inner circle to see how this entire matter started.


15 posted on 07/09/2005 5:47:53 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: abclily
From the article linked above...

The story Cooper subsequently wrote on Time.com said that "some government officials" had noted to Time that Plame was a CIA official. Luskin has said Cooper initiated the conversation with Rove.

The article also speculates that it was actually journalists that knew about Valerie Plames CIA work, and that they were the ones that released the info to the Administration, and asked for confirmation.

16 posted on 07/09/2005 5:48:26 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Doctor Raoul

There does appear to have been many "deep throats" planted in the Bush administration from the get go. Some have written books and became the "FACE" of CBS.


17 posted on 07/09/2005 5:54:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Doctor Raoul
And remember how Joe Wilson backed off his initial frog marching allegation the leaker was Karl Rove? First it was Karl Rove, then it was Scooter Livvy.

("Scooter Livvy, Scooter Livvy, Scooter Livvy" will be on Chris Matthews tombstone!!)

Joe "Will Lie" Wilson is a wannabee bon vivant with delusions of grandeur. The way Wilson capitalized on his bogus, hate generated allegations against this administration proves it. He got more than his 15 minutes, made the talk show circuit, his book deal, magazine spreads, and no doubt, invited to all the best parties!!

Karl Rove has testified before the Grand Jury....has Wilson? I'm of the JohnHuang2 school of thought. Namely....Fitzgerald will find it was reporters who gave Plame's name to their White House sources, not the other way around.

18 posted on 07/09/2005 6:06:09 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Lose, Whine, Lie......Lose, Whine, Lie....Libs In A Nut Shell.com)
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To: YaYa123

The MSM has contracted some sort of venperial disease. A strange combination of vengeance and self-imperialism that racks the brain and leaves the victim unable to function normally. Highly contagious, it is spread by sharing used, often tainted, information over and over again, within the same group of practicing partners. Because the carriers are known to engage in unprotected speculation the public is being urged to use commmon sense when dealing with rumors, innuendo, and unnamed sources.


19 posted on 07/09/2005 6:25:50 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: YaYa123
I take it that you punsih yourself by watching Matthews? Has he obsessed about getting Karl Rove and Bush all week?

I refuse to watch him anymore.

20 posted on 07/09/2005 8:10:25 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: KC_Conspirator

It's interesting. I couldn't wait for Monday night, I just knew Matthews would have O'Donnell on Hardball. But no. In fact, I think Matthews was absent, with Andrea Mitchell filling in, til Thursday night when Matthews returned and all talk was about London. Last night I knew Matthews was showing his interview with Bob Woodward. No way would I watch another NBC book plug for Woodward.


21 posted on 07/09/2005 9:00:20 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Lose, Whine, Lie......Lose, Whine, Lie....Libs In A Nut Shell.com)
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To: MJY1288

For argument sake even if it is Rove, it wont bring Bush down, and that is what matters. It would just be a mistake by Rove.


22 posted on 07/10/2005 12:03:24 AM PDT by mikenash
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To: YaYa123

Karl Rove is Keyser Soze.


24 posted on 07/10/2005 12:11:29 AM PDT by Clemenza (Where is the Genius of Love?)
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To: YaYa123

drats! I had just read through #23 one time, and I don't even remember the poster's screen name. It was quite a long post, very detailed, with no obscenity. Could the moderator tell me why it was pulled?

Thanks.


25 posted on 07/10/2005 12:33:42 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@I wanted to read it again.com)
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To: Clemenza

I never heard the legend of Keyser Soze, but your reference to him got me googling.


http://www.whysanity.net/monos/usual.html


26 posted on 07/10/2005 12:36:50 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@YIKES..com)
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To: wastoute
According to Michael Isikoff

NEWSWEEK obtained a copy of the e-mail that Cooper sent his bureau chief after speaking to Rove. (The e-mail was authenticated by a source intimately familiar with Time's editorial handling of the Wilson story, but who has asked not to be identified because of the magazine's corporate decision not to disclose its contents.) Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"—CIA Director George Tenet—or Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger... "

Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.

According to Michael Isikoff the Cooper e-mail shows no inconsistency between the e-mail and Karl Rove's Grand Jury testimony. Karl Rove did not commit perjury and this hold attempt to get Rove fired is BS.

27 posted on 07/10/2005 7:09:17 AM PDT by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: YaYa123

Who cares? This Plame thing is a meaningless diversion in a sea of meaningless, trumped-up charges that constantly spew from the mouths of the libs. Honestly, the charges should be dealt with the same way as a parent would do with a terrible two-year old not wanting to go to bed; grab them and put them in their crib!


28 posted on 07/10/2005 7:11:25 AM PDT by Gaffer
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