Skip to comments.Was Rove a White House Source or Just Another Player?
Posted on 07/08/2005 11:17:29 PM PDT by YaYa123
Was it Karl Rove, after all?
Or is President Bush's long-time political adviser getting a bum rap, fueled by wishful thinking of administration critics?
Nearly two years to the day after Robert Novak blew the cover of a CIA operative in a newspaper column, the mystery of who might have leaked the identity of Valerie Plame to Novak and other journalists only seems to be deepening.
The latest tantalizing clue involves Rove and a conversation he had with a Time magazine reporter, Matthew Cooper, in the days before the Novak column appeared.
The conversation was disclosed last week by Rove's own lawyer, who adds that his client didn't identify Plame or do anything wrong. Nobody else knows precisely what the two men discussed then, but special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald apparently is interested in questioning Cooper about the conversation before wrapping up his investigation.
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middle of the night ping
And John Kerry even thinks Joe Wilson is lyin' because John Kerry dumped the website John Kerry set up to showcase Joe Wilson, www.restorehonesty.com. Kerry did that in the middle of his campaign. Even today, Restorehonesty.com sort of "exists". It just redirects you to the official Kerry site.
When John Kerry sez you're a liar, that's a expert (i.e., liar's) opinion.
The Special Prosecutor in this case will show Joseph Wilson as the liar he is
Consider this. Two reporters from lib rags know the story but won't publish. Do you think they would have sat on it if Rove or any conservative were the source? But a conservative gets wind of the story (but doesn't know the source) and publishes. Sounds like 2 + 2 to me. Lib source.
This Rove/Cooper 'conversation' was initiated by Rove dialing Cooper? Or Cooper dialing Rove?
Wasn't Plame not even working in an undercover capacity??
On another thread, the story was that Cooper called Rove.
That is what I thought might have happened. When would Rove find it necessary to call Cooper? I could not imagine the conversation being initiated by Rove. How did the phone call come to light? By phone records? By Cooper volunteering the information?
The legs keep falling off this story, but yet the MSM keeps trying to paste them back on.
This is a great post, of equal interest.
Valerie Plame was NEVER undercover. Never.
Correct. She was NEVER undercover.
This entire matter is crap. It was fueled by Wilson when he worked for the Kerry campaign. There is no reason at all for the reporters to go to jail. Get Wilson to testify before the grand jury. Call John Kerry and his inner circle to see how this entire matter started.
The story Cooper subsequently wrote on Time.com said that "some government officials" had noted to Time that Plame was a CIA official. Luskin has said Cooper initiated the conversation with Rove.
The article also speculates that it was actually journalists that knew about Valerie Plames CIA work, and that they were the ones that released the info to the Administration, and asked for confirmation.
There does appear to have been many "deep throats" planted in the Bush administration from the get go. Some have written books and became the "FACE" of CBS.
("Scooter Livvy, Scooter Livvy, Scooter Livvy" will be on Chris Matthews tombstone!!)
Joe "Will Lie" Wilson is a wannabee bon vivant with delusions of grandeur. The way Wilson capitalized on his bogus, hate generated allegations against this administration proves it. He got more than his 15 minutes, made the talk show circuit, his book deal, magazine spreads, and no doubt, invited to all the best parties!!
Karl Rove has testified before the Grand Jury....has Wilson? I'm of the JohnHuang2 school of thought. Namely....Fitzgerald will find it was reporters who gave Plame's name to their White House sources, not the other way around.
The MSM has contracted some sort of venperial disease. A strange combination of vengeance and self-imperialism that racks the brain and leaves the victim unable to function normally. Highly contagious, it is spread by sharing used, often tainted, information over and over again, within the same group of practicing partners. Because the carriers are known to engage in unprotected speculation the public is being urged to use commmon sense when dealing with rumors, innuendo, and unnamed sources.
I refuse to watch him anymore.
It's interesting. I couldn't wait for Monday night, I just knew Matthews would have O'Donnell on Hardball. But no. In fact, I think Matthews was absent, with Andrea Mitchell filling in, til Thursday night when Matthews returned and all talk was about London. Last night I knew Matthews was showing his interview with Bob Woodward. No way would I watch another NBC book plug for Woodward.
For argument sake even if it is Rove, it wont bring Bush down, and that is what matters. It would just be a mistake by Rove.
Karl Rove is Keyser Soze.
drats! I had just read through #23 one time, and I don't even remember the poster's screen name. It was quite a long post, very detailed, with no obscenity. Could the moderator tell me why it was pulled?
I never heard the legend of Keyser Soze, but your reference to him got me googling.
NEWSWEEK obtained a copy of the e-mail that Cooper sent his bureau chief after speaking to Rove. (The e-mail was authenticated by a source intimately familiar with Time's editorial handling of the Wilson story, but who has asked not to be identified because of the magazine's corporate decision not to disclose its contents.) Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"CIA Director George Tenetor Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger... "
Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.
According to Michael Isikoff the Cooper e-mail shows no inconsistency between the e-mail and Karl Rove's Grand Jury testimony. Karl Rove did not commit perjury and this hold attempt to get Rove fired is BS.
Who cares? This Plame thing is a meaningless diversion in a sea of meaningless, trumped-up charges that constantly spew from the mouths of the libs. Honestly, the charges should be dealt with the same way as a parent would do with a terrible two-year old not wanting to go to bed; grab them and put them in their crib!