A Pox On Both Your Houses

Middle East Facts ^ | July 8, 2005 | Yashiko Sagamori

[A_perfect_lady]

Wow.

I can't really think of anything else to say... overall, I have to agree with most of what he says. It's rare that someone's writing cuts right through the humidity like that.

[native texan]

Very provocative reading. I don't know how I feel about it. About the time you form an opinion, he attacks the other side. I guess the problem is that the truth hurts.

[Publius6961]

Wow. There's a whole lot more food for thought here than initially meets the eye. This particular paragraph grabbed me, because it not only summarized a reality brilliantly, but also its obvious fate.

Liberalism seems pervasive like mold, but even mold won't grow without certain conditions. For example, liberalism cannot survive without liberals, and liberals cannot survive without democracy. Wherever democracy fails, the status of local liberals is promptly downgraded from citizens to lamppost decorations.

In order to understand that paragraph, one has to have some grasp of some elements of recent history, which requires a gene that the emotees obviously lack. So their fate is preordained. A nasty version of the Eloi, they are.

But just as the incompetent can never know they are incompetent, the true "liberal" is oblivious to his precarious status and likely to learn it much too late, after he has championed, encouraged and nurtured the means of his own destruction.

The rest of us can only smile and wait.

[Quick1]

Placemarker for later reading.

[papertyger]

the survival of American liberalism remains highly questionable.

Smart lady. She understands liberals are like pacifists... they exist at the sufference of others.

[antisocial]

Wow, I hope a bunch of "conservatives" here on FR read this article and truly digest it. There is no substitute for truth!

BTTT

[Publius6961]

When I hear President Bush assure the American people that Islam is not their enemy while everyone with a brain, including every single Muslim in the world, knows it is; when I see him sucking up to the Saudi royalty in the middle of jihad they have inspired and financed; when I see how American soldiers die in Iraq so that the House of Saud rather than Saddam Hussein would lead the Muslim world against us, what conclusion should I arrive at? What's your conclusion?

Wow.

This guy is freaky. He has been listening to me rant in the shower for the last three years!
Creepy.

[ktvaughn]

"The "war on terror" has failed to put a dent into the daily threat of terror under which we've been living since 9/11. If you don't believe this, you must have missed the news from London. Homeland security exists only in the name of a newly created bureaucracy. This country has been viciously, without provocation attacked by an enemy that would not have survived our proper response. What was our response? A reorg in the government.

The only country that benefits from our war in Iraq is our worst enemy, Saudi Arabia, whose chieftain just happens to be our president's bosom buddy. Our enemies acquire nuclear weapons, and we do absolutely nothing about it. The UN has become the epitome of corruption, but we continue to participate in it and finance its operations.

In the course of our idiotic pursuit of democracy in the Middle East, we threw Israel to the Arabs. Israel, by the way, was not just the only democracy in the region; it also was the only country in the world truly interested in the long-term survival and prosperity of the United States. Thanks to the US foreign policy, today, Israel is no longer a democracy, and the prospects of its own long-term (let's say, 5 years) survival are shaky at best. "

This bears repeating--Who are we to tell the Arabs they must practice democracy? WHY? So we can have cheap oil?--screw that--

We need to take that 6 billion a month and protect our borders and develop fossil fuel alternatives. The war on terror is not in IRAQ, it is right HERE. If you think we are any safer than London, with our thousands of buses and long rail lines, you are dreaming.

The Islamic 'Imams' who claim they are against the jihad like to say, "The Koran says that to kill one is to kill the whole world.." What they don't tell you is the the Koran REALLY says, "unless they have committed villainy and murder in the land.." These young Islamic crazies believe that part. I say let them rot in their totalitarian hellholes. They don't deserve our brave men and women dying for freedom they won't fight for. I've had it. Bring them home . Is that what the terrorists want? I don't give a sh*t. It's what I want.

[papertyger]

when I see him sucking up to the Saudi royalty in the middle of jihad they have inspired and financed; when I see how American soldiers die in Iraq so that the House of Saud rather than Saddam Hussein would lead the Muslim world against us, what conclusion should I arrive at? What's your conclusion?

That Saudi Arabia is like a despised inlaw.., you make nice with them while maneuvering both them and yourself into positions where they have to be nice to you as well as do what you want.

Iraq is a remarkably good place to set up a huge strategic presence in that area of the world, and I think convincing the Saudis we were perfectly willing to put a BUNCH of assets right by them in the WOT was just as much a part of the calculation as getting rid of the guy that's been at covert war with us for years. President Bush's style won't him to admit that because it would require illuminating the malfeasance of his predecessor.

[papertyger]

This bears repeating--Who are we to tell the Arabs they must practice democracy? WHY? So we can have cheap oil?--screw that--

You haven't been listening to what the President is saying. If you want to know what he's doing, read "The case for democracy" by Natan Sharansky.

This was always a war of information. If you haven't read it, you don't have a clue.

[ktvaughn]

I looked at the info on Sharansky's book, it looks interesting--especially the part about democracies not attacking each other. I'm all for it, really--as for what the President has been saying he's not saying much, IMO. "Stay the course, spreading hope and freedom, yada yada.." What I'm not seeing is the PLAN to seed these democracies without creating terrorists of people of a nutty religion who don't want us there. All those happy Iraqi's? They will turn on us, everyone, in a second if they find another leader with another agenda they prefer. I have a clue, thank you very much.

[papertyger]

If you have a clue, why do you want the coach to show his playbook to the other team... to make you feel better?

[Sam Cree]

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[Vision Thing]

The woman who wrote this is really Debbie Downer of Saturday Night Live:

[Publius6961]

Whoever it is, this is the most insightful, honest and useful post I have seen in a long time.

It summarizes the feelings of just about everyone these days, except for the fanatic cool-aid drinkers of both parties.

And here I would include those girlie-men, Hugh Hewitt and Michael Medved... even that Mr. Nice-pacifist-Let's reason-together Dennis Prager seems to have grown some [censored]!

Some people will never get it.

[Publius6961]

Is Yashiko a female name?

[papertyger]

Accountant Yoshiko Danjo will make her debut as a cheerleader for the NFL's Indianapolis Colts during a pre-season event here in Tokyo next week.

Pretty close for a transliteration.

[Sabramerican]

The only country that benefits from our war in Iraq is our worst enemy, Saudi Arabia, whose chieftain just happens to be our president's bosom buddy.

I was as strong a supporter of George W Bush as anyone, but the veil has been lifted from my eyes.

This author is dead on.

I know it is heresy on this site, maybe even fatal, but I now believe Bush is more a problem then a solution to our Islamic problems.

[Publius6961]

Well... looking at the bright side, I haven't heard W say "islam is a religion of peace"...

In the last 48 hours.