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The picture among doctorates -- key to advanced scientific research -- was more striking. In 2001, universities in the European Union granted 40 per cent more science and engineering doctorates than the United States, with that figure expected to reach nearly 100 per cent by about 2010, the study showed.

Hey, the US remains ing coz it attracts the best of the best from all over the world. So its 35% of published papers actually encompass the top 30% of cutting edge research being done. The best of the PhDs from elsewhere landup here.

The study said deteriorating opportunities and comparative wages for young science and engineering graduates has discouraged US students from entering these fields, but not those born in other countries.

This is the real piece of disturbiing news. Competition not in numbers of degrees awarded but in opportunities offered to the cream of the degreeholders. And this is where I fear, given our budget cuts in Scitech R&D, we may eventually lose out.

1 posted on 07/10/2005 4:51:09 AM PDT by voletti
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Good point. It was immigrants like Einstein that gave the US its edge.


64 posted on 07/10/2005 9:13:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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But the good news is we're winning in sports.

Who needs math and science when you can play kick ball or stick ball? Priorities, people!

73 posted on 07/10/2005 8:44:57 PM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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Hey, all you have to do is a free republic search of "autism," "vaccines," or "fluoride" to discover how ignorant most people with regard to science.


74 posted on 07/10/2005 8:48:05 PM PDT by Spyder
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some 10-15 per cent of all US jobs [are] "off-shorable".

I have no idea what India's TV is like but what I remember of American TV - I threw my TV away almost 10 years ago in disgust -- I'd say that, if India's press is any indication, their TV is superior.

So add to the 10 - 15 per cent most of the MSM print and electronic media jobs.

As far as education goes there's been several India press articles critical of India's system as being geared too much toward passing tests, not enough creative thinking. That is why no doubt so many come here.

As far as Asian countries in general go, search for "universities cheating [country name]"

Not all Asians are ten feet tall.

We've been through this tech scare before, the children of the "greatest generation" beat the scare -- but that was in the days before the Internet, greed and labor arbitrage.

"Free tradin'" away our technology, wealth, and production, especially to enemies like the U.S.S.R and Red China, was absolutely forbidden by the "greatest generation."

Not so today. The New Democrat Third Way "progressive" one-worlders rule along with their conservative "free trade" lackeys (useful idiots as Lenin called them). The Davos World IOW, soon to be spurred on by Clinton's global initiative coming in September.

76 posted on 07/10/2005 10:27:42 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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This is the real piece of disturbiing news. Competition not in numbers of degrees awarded but in opportunities offered to the cream of the degreeholders. And this is where I fear, given our budget cuts in Scitech R&D, we may eventually lose out.

We heard a related argument back in the 50s when the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. The United States was falling behind the Soviets and we needed to reform education to keep up. The reforms made in High School back then in the sciences and mathematics were a huge mistake. It made those subjects less comprehensible to beginners. Reformers forgot that to teacher a beginner, the subject needed to be presented as simply as possible, artificially if necessary. Complexity can only be taught properly after basics are mastered.

The problem isn't India or China. It is the way schools teach science and math. There has been a lot of talk about getting back to basics. Not only do we need to get rid of the theraputic education designed to create perfect citizens, we need to go back to the way math and science were taught 70 years ago.

77 posted on 07/10/2005 10:52:03 PM PDT by stripes1776
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Obviously, science can be farmed out as any other service industry to countries that are mired in 19th century social development. It is not practical that our children should waste time and money studying science in college when the job prospects for science-related careers are extremely poor.


79 posted on 07/11/2005 4:02:28 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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