Hey, the US remains ing coz it attracts the best of the best from all over the world. So its 35% of published papers actually encompass the top 30% of cutting edge research being done. The best of the PhDs from elsewhere landup here.
The study said deteriorating opportunities and comparative wages for young science and engineering graduates has discouraged US students from entering these fields, but not those born in other countries.
This is the real piece of disturbiing news. Competition not in numbers of degrees awarded but in opportunities offered to the cream of the degreeholders. And this is where I fear, given our budget cuts in Scitech R&D, we may eventually lose out.
Phase II is nearing completion; have all tech support and customer service outsourced to low-wage countries.
Phase III is underway; have all advanced engineering, design and software coding moved to low-wage countries.
Then the only thing Americans will be allowed to do is to buy their products, at big American prices. But we won't have the big American incomes with which to do so.
This last could be the 'achilles heel' of the Eastern economic takeover; once the American consumer buying market is lost, who are they gonna sell all those cell phones and laptops and laser pointers to? Europe? Africa? Each other?
Percentages are misleading, I think (IMHO) he fact that alot of them come to the US and work for US firms here and overseas is much more telling.
The marketplace is becoming more global in its scope.
I seem to remember not too long ago the sky is falling crowd was telling the world that Japan's management style was going to leave us in the dust!
Well, we can't see the dust because we haven't looked back yet, the dust is our own.
They also won't allow their students to be taught nonsensical crap like Creationism.
Anybody majoring in Engineering at this time is in for a rude shock upon graduation. I wouldn't recommend it.
Q. Why do our politians want the US to be a third world country?
A. Because an affluent middle class is so hard to manage. They demand things. Better get rid of them.
Fascinating and somewhat related story in BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4650065.stm
In my Economics classes they defined the inputs to building the wealth of a country as Land (natural resources), Labor (which includes human capital, e.g., advanced degrees), Capital, and Entrepreneurship. If the Saudis called up and wanted to send a few tankers of free crude, we would accept, right? Well, its the same with educated people. We should be advertising and subsidizing the move to America of the talented, educated immigrants as well as welcoming foreign entrepreneurs with open arms. The Brain Drain enriched our country and should continue to do so.
What only large companies could afford to do in years past individuals will be able to do in the future.
bttt
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Some of these folks are at American universities, but that won't necessarily continue to be true if our researchers and facilities deteriorate.
Once, those foreign students stayed in the U.S. after graduation; now they depart. So we're training the competition.
Science and especially engineering is not a good career choice in USA - there is little job security and it harder to keep family together/raise children than for those in the military (the last has extensive safety net compensating for the frequent relocations)
Much better choice is law. BTW how many lawyers are in Congress and how many engineers or scientists?
"best of the best from all over the world", "the cream of the degreeholders".
The society cannot be based on the "best" and on the "cream". It has to allow the middle to prosper. Calvinist guilt manipulation is not helpful in this matter.
Interesting, but I was intrigued that anyone would use "Chindia" in a title---and they didn't!
and spellin', 2!
things r gettin' bad.
"The study said deteriorating opportunities and comparative wages for young science and engineering graduates has discouraged US students from entering these fields, but not those born in other countries. "
The only thing discouraging US students from entering these fields is that it is hard, and most students don't want to have to work hard. Also some are simply not prepared out of high school to take on a rigorous course of study.
Engineering graduates are still among the highest paid graduates......It's the poly-sci and sociology graduates that have the rude awakening after they graduate.
I think "Chindia" was supposed to be "China" in the title
Never mind, I got it "China-India" = Chindia. Need more coffee
I remember when we were falling behind the commies, because they graduated 10 times the engineers we did and twice the doctors. There's more to successful research than numbers. You need freedom, you need a culture that encourages creativity and risk-taking and a culture of second and third chances. No one matches the US of A for all of the above.
All very true.... And one major aspect of it is the fact that in the US, we limit the number of medical school admissions in order to reduce the number of doctors. Then because we don't have enough doctors, we import doctors from India, where they don't have such stupid policies.
Remember that the next time you hear, "The U.S. consumes 25% of the world's energy resources even though it only has 5% of the world's populaaaaaatioooon" (whiny emphasis mine). Also remember that for that 25% consumption of the world's energy resources, we produce... about 25% of the world's economic output.