Very interesting. Russia and China together again? It's been a good fifty years since the glories of shared revolutionary ardor; a lot of water has gone under a lot of bridges:
Posted on 07/10/2005 6:28:18 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
BLEAK NEWS FOR JAPAN
Russia prioritizes China for oil
GLENEAGLES, Scotland (Kyodo) Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday his country will prioritize China over Japan as the recipient of oil supplies from a pipeline project linking eastern Siberia with the Russian Far East. He made the remarks during a news conference after the three-day summit of the Group of Eight powers.
Both Japan and China have tried to convince Russia to favor it in planning the pipeline's route. Russia had at one point last year agreed to build a 4,180-km pipeline from Taishet near Lake Baikal to Nakhodka on Russia's Sea of Japan coast, Japan's preferred route. Tokyo offered to extend some $12 billion to help finance the project.
Energy-hungry China, which had initially inked the deal for a pipeline from the Siberian oil fields to Daqing, later offered Moscow more than $13 billion.
In April, Moscow issued an order for the pipeline to be built from Taishet to the halfway point at Skovorodino near the Russian-China border, triggering worries in Tokyo that oil supplies would go to China first.
Putin made it plain this time that the construction of the Pacific-bound pipeline will be contingent on development of a new oil field in eastern Siberia -- where the amount of oil deposits remains unconfirmed.
He said the three-year first phase of the project will be launched as early as this year, with 20 million tons of oil supplied to China a year and another 10 million tons transported to the Pacific by train.
Japan has told Russia it may not offer financing for the pipeline project if the prospect of Russian oil reaching the Sea of Japan coast diminishes.
Observers said Putin's remarks indicate that the Japanese government's strategy to build up bilateral ties with Russia through the pipeline project in the hope of finding a way to make progress with the ongoing territorial row have all but been dashed with the latest developments.
When complete, the pipeline is expected to funnel 80 million tons of oil a year.
The Japan Times: July 10, 2005
Ping!
Why would they? China is Russia's ticket back to Soviet glory.
Very interesting. Russia and China together again? It's been a good fifty years since the glories of shared revolutionary ardor; a lot of water has gone under a lot of bridges:
Do you have thoughts on why Japan was sold out by Russia?
Is it their ties to America?
Russia and China team up again -ping.
In a manner of speaking, yes. Russia feel not safe with EU, either. EU fans flame of civil unrest among former Soviet Republics ruled by strongmen. Ukraine, Georgia, and Kyrgyzstan fell. U.S. is also encouraging it. Putin feel politically insecure, who drew him to China. Rewarding Japan, the biggest ally of U.S. and the enemy of China, would not be a good idea for Putin.
lenin always bragged that they'd exploit capitalism in order to destroy it.
and china is a wedge in world politics. iran, another.
Thank you, it is as I thought it would be.
This is the link for your thread on China's anti-Japan Celebration.
I do thank you for finding and sharing these reports that we would all miss, if you did not.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1440066/posts?page=1
Russia has no choice, especially that it is easy for the Western humanitarians to promote Islamist unrest in south of Russia. China does not like unrest and color coded revolutions.
But I think that Russians would be rather friends with EU and US if it were safe option.
The problem is that, to Putin, all these are good excuse to revert back to an old Soviet way.
With natural resources as its main income generator, Putin more or less follow What oil-rich Arab states did. That is, refusal to change old way, expand state control, do it in an old way he is comfortable with, just as oil Sheiks are comfortable with Sharia.
Putin is driving Russia in a wrong direction. Bukovsky may have been right about his concern for re-Sovietization, which I was not sure of when I first read his words in an article.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB49/
Under the right conditions this could happen again. Russia is playing a dangerous game attempting to dance with the Chinese dragon
So Russia selling oil to China bad. We giving China everything, including most of their industry, is good? If anyone has done the very most to make the Frankenstien China a reality, it's us. Where else do all those dollars go that make all our consumer crap. Definitly not the American worker. We'll pay for this with the blood of our children who'll curse our names, for our present day greed.
Japan * ping * (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list)
Some people will Blame America First no matter what.
Oh, so you are for us building Chinese industry at our own expense or that of our workers? Nice to know exactly where you stand.
When war comes with Russia and China you can explain why we "had it coming," like you think we had 911 coming for helping the afghans beat the USSR, tovarisch.
But you obviously have no problem with us growing their economy till they can take us on. You've stated as much by attacking someone who criticized this policy of sending industry to China.
Again, nice to finally have the truth of your stance.
Actually the war on land had ground to a stalemate after several initial Japanese victories and was starting to turn, which is why Japan begged T. Roosevelt into mediating the peace. For Russia with a weak Tsar and a very unpopular war, the Bolsheviks sabotaged the war effort by starting mass strikes. Sound familiar? The left sabotaging a nation they are a part of?
On the high seas, the Japanese could have sunk any US or European navy. The reason was simple: philosophy. The on going philosophy then was big guns, lots of big guns. Nothing for small armaments to cover the close in areas. The Japanese took fast torpedo boats, got within the min. depression of the main guns and sunk the ships.
Russia is still irked by their defeat of 1905. No love lost between Russia and Japan.
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