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School bench message said too religious
Marietta Daily Journal (MJD) online edition ^ | Wednesday, July 6, 2005 3:06 AM EDT | David Burch

Posted on 07/11/2005 11:13:58 AM PDT by Terriergal

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Rush Limbaugh commented "just change it to allah loves you."

That would probably have been fine with everyone. *sigh*

1 posted on 07/11/2005 11:14:33 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
David Bernknopf thinks that his opinion regarding what is religious should prevail.

I see no reason to bow to his religious points of view and certainly see no reason for the state to enforce them.

2 posted on 07/11/2005 11:17:46 AM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: Eaker; habs4ever; Ditter; shaggy eel; dorben; Son of Rooster; Tennessee_Bob; Cyrano; ...

ping!

So when are those government buildings with all the religous messages in the architecture going to be condemned?


3 posted on 07/11/2005 11:18:06 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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I see no reason to bow to his religious points of view and certainly see no reason for the state to enforce them.

If the people want religious endorsement, for some reason, then the 'government of the people, by the people, for the people' doesn't seem to matter.

4 posted on 07/11/2005 11:19:38 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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David Bernknopf's simply one of those people seeking to suppress what he sees to be "religious expression" in public.

I thought the First Amendment did away with these control freaks when it came to religion, but apparantly it didn't.

5 posted on 07/11/2005 11:22:33 AM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: Terriergal

Some people have too much time on their hands. *sigh*


6 posted on 07/11/2005 11:22:39 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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David Bernknopf - a former CNN producer and media consultant whose son and daughter attend nearby A.L. Burruss Elementary - said he recently noticed the bench and asked Marietta City Schools officials to look into the legality of having a religious message displayed at a public school....

Asked about the issue on Tuesday, Marietta school board members said they were unaware that the bench with its "Jesus Loves You!" message even existed at the school until Bernknopf questioned it.

This part I did think was pretty funny. The bench is out in front of the school and the school board members never noticed it before??

7 posted on 07/11/2005 11:22:40 AM PDT by retrokitten (www.takebackthememorial.org)
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This guy is an idiot!

It's pronounced "hey-zeus" not "gee-zuss"

There, no problemo!

Just reaching out to the Latin-American population in Texas!

R3


8 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:51 AM PDT by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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Pretty soon, atheists will say churches have to be walled as they find them offensive.

The polically correct are creating a religious underground.

9 posted on 07/11/2005 11:32:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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one Marietta parent is now raising questions about the "overly religious" message it conveys.

I'll bet if it said "Allah" or "Satan" loves you, this woman never would have said word.

I hope the local community shuns this busy body - big time! She's earned it.

10 posted on 07/11/2005 11:32:50 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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No surprise here that a former producer for CNN would be offended by the notion that "Jesus loves you." How inoffensive is that statement? And since the sign is paid for by private funds, there's a question here of whether individuals' freedom to speak violates some doofus's "freedom not to be offended."


11 posted on 07/11/2005 11:32:59 AM PDT by My2Cents (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati [When all else fails, play dead])
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I consider myself a Christian woman, but think that bench as described in the article has no business at the entrance to the school. It is very different if a student has a visible locker with a religious bumper sticker, or a security guard has something personal and religious at his desk by the door.

That school is a PUBLIC school, NOT a religious school, and certainly many people who don't believe in Jesus will pass through. It certainly sounds like it is being made to look like it was placed there by some official act.

I don't think this is at all like including timely religious songs in a seasonal school concert. I have no problem with that. But this bench is an "in your face" religious demonstration by a group trying to circumvent the constitution's intent. I for one don't want to see "Jesus loves you", "Allah loves you", "Moses loves you" or "Confucious loves you" in an official looking place in my kids' PUBLIC schools.


12 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:05 AM PDT by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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"But he said his stance on the bench will depend on the legal opinion provided by the school system"

He doesn't even have an opinion yet..

"I think its best at this point to give them to opportunity to figure out where they stand," Bernknopf said.

Because as soon as they do, then he'll know where he stands..


13 posted on 07/11/2005 11:36:17 AM PDT by dwntmpo
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"The government cannot encourage religious expression, but it can't prevent it either," Smith said.

The left wing communist groups are giving it their best try. They want Government to be God - and they'll do by force if necessary. It's their anti-Christ jihad (sound familiar?).

14 posted on 07/11/2005 11:37:22 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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So when are those government buildings with all the religous messages in the architecture going to be condemned?

The don't have to obey our laws. Our laws are just for the unwashed, tax enslaved peasants.

15 posted on 07/11/2005 11:39:59 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: My2Cents

Here's my crazy idea about how not to be offended by the Jesus Loves You bench- don't look at the bench.

I know..I know, it's revolutionary, but that's the kind of gal I am.


16 posted on 07/11/2005 11:43:08 AM PDT by retrokitten (www.takebackthememorial.org)
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Since when is telling someone JESUS LOVES YOU offensive? What is wrong nowadays with uplifting someone by letting them know that there is a God who loves them? With all that's going on in the world today, a bit of good cheer never hurt anyone.


17 posted on 07/11/2005 11:47:34 AM PDT by FeeinTennessee (www.saluteheroes.org.........www.peoplepolitical.org)
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Here's the most interesting comment about the former CNN producer:

"But he said his stance on the bench will depend on the legal opinion provided by the school system about the bench's presence at the school."

Hmm. Isn't that interesting. This producer can't yet indicate if he thinks it is ok or not ok? He needs someone to look at the law so he can discern whether there is something gruesomely offensive about a bench with the saying, "Jesus loves you" on it?

Well, he was a CNN producer. Brains and intellect don't seem to be a job requirement there.

18 posted on 07/11/2005 11:48:38 AM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: Terriergal
The left bitches about separation of church and state yet they bitch about this!
Ministerial students/ministers are EXEMPT from the draft!
Sorry, but they're representatives of the Lord. The Lord isn't allowed in Government buildings. The left said so themselves!
19 posted on 07/11/2005 11:48:47 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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Marietta High School is my alma mater. Although it's been 20 years since I graduated, I still have close ties to the community and have reason to believe that little has changed since I was a student.

I'm not at all surprised MHS has a "Jesus Loves You!" bench on their campus. When I was there there were Jesus posters and stickers and flyers all over the place. The student body at MHS was/is overwhelmingly Christian from degrees ranging from very religious to those who go along with all the Christian activities just to be social. When I was there, there was a lot of peer pressure to join in specifically Christian extracurricular groups such as FCA and Young Life. Young Life in particular attracted a lot of kids who were more interested in having a place to hook up before going out to get drunk. People who didn't take part or at least pretend to take part in all of this were actually teased and said to be weird. I was an agnostic bordering on atheist in high school (no more - long story) and so I was pretty much one of those outcasts. I didn't care though - in fact, I took it as a kind of badge of honor. I never really resented it because it wasn't a position the school itself took. Teachers and admins there were quite even-handed. All the pressure came from the kids themselves.

I can't help but think it's funny that some liberal is now challenging the school's status quo. That's definitely a new experience for MHS. Sounds like the school board is going to handle it in a reasonable fashion, but the God Squad contingency is not going to be happy if that bench is removed or even moved from its place at the front.

20 posted on 07/11/2005 12:00:55 PM PDT by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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