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To: Paloma_55
The problem is that once a teacher is tenured, they can not be removed without major effort.

The article provides some statistics contrary to your statement. Do you have support for your comment?

They are getting paid... they get a huge pension ... This pension includes cost of living increases...

The teacher tenure intiative does nothing to change pensions. If benefit levels are a problem, start an initiative to reduce benefits.

11 posted on 07/11/2005 6:00:29 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
The problem is that once a teacher is tenured, they can not be removed without major effort.

The article provides some statistics contrary to your statement. Do you have support for your comment?


Statistics? As Mark Twain said, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics... I have seen it firsthand. My daughter had a teacher who behaved erratically, cussed out kids (6th grade) and screamed her head off. Parents tried to get her removed to no avail. There are many similar stories.

They are getting paid... they get a huge pension ... This pension includes cost of living increases...

The teacher tenure intiative does nothing to change pensions. If benefit levels are a problem, start an initiative to reduce benefits.

You are right, it doesn't. This is another case of trying to fix something that is broken by repairing the symptom.

If I could write an initiative, it would be to prevent unions from being able to contribute to political campaigns completely. A union can not vote, it should not be able to pay off politicians.
20 posted on 07/11/2005 8:47:22 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: calcowgirl

Before I get flamed for my "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics" line as being to trite....

Note the number of dismissed teachers claimed under the premise of how easy it is to do... does not distinguish between new teachers and tenured teachers.

In other words, the vast likelihood is that the big number of teachers dismissed are non-tenured.

The reason tenured teachers are not fired is because they get a "reasonable proceeding"... reasonable being defined by the teachers's union as "virtually impossible to make a case" by the normal human being.


21 posted on 07/11/2005 8:54:28 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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