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A Few Thoughts on Karl Rove -Provided For Those Who Are UNcErTaInn Still About Rove
NYT ^ | 7/13/05 | OP-ED

Posted on 07/12/2005 8:32:49 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As Rove sets up the ultimate political play -- the MSM gets sucked in again! They'll never learn :)


21 posted on 07/12/2005 8:55:28 PM PDT by Paraclete
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary.

Like Deep Throat? Sheesh, how low into hypocrisy can they sink? (and, that's the opinion of someone --me--who thinks that if it were Rove, he should probably go).

22 posted on 07/12/2005 8:55:59 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Hey, NY Times, why is Judith Miller still in jail?

Before this thing is done, I'll bet NYT will need a glacier to put some ice on it.


23 posted on 07/12/2005 8:57:17 PM PDT by nhoward14
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The Jayson Blair Fish Wrapper speaks out!


24 posted on 07/12/2005 8:57:33 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If you ever injected truth into politics you have no politics. - Will Rodgers


25 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:02 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Doctors may delay your death, but only Jesus Christ can save your life.)
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To: Fenris6
It makes perfect sense if Judith Miller is the leak.

Judith Miller isn't a government employee. She couldn't have "leaked". If she knew Plame was a CIA agent, someone told her. Miller may be guilty of another crime . . . one that Bill Clinton committed.

26 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:10 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: mcenedo

I turned from lefty to righty when I realized that in all the voluminous reading I was doing, the conservative columnists were the ones who wrote stuff I thought about after I closed the magazine. So your advice is like gold.


27 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:36 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I cant bring myself to read the rest


28 posted on 07/12/2005 8:59:52 PM PDT by woofie (I Predict:....... Dr. Neil Clark Warren will kill his wife)
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To: Petronski
Terry Moran's talking points about "peddling" are showing up in the NYT.

I would suggest to you that it is the other way around.

29 posted on 07/12/2005 9:02:35 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
While we like government officials who are willing to whisper vital information, we like even more government officials who tell the truth in public.

If that is the case, then the NY Times should like Karl Rove and hate Joe Wilson.

30 posted on 07/12/2005 9:04:23 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Petronski

Moran is a raving Moran. His stories are over 76 percent negative for the Bush Administration. That's the highest of all networks. Can't stand the guy. Heh Moran and the party of do nothings. You want to investigate or indite someone? How about that Sandy Burgler?


31 posted on 07/12/2005 9:06:11 PM PDT by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
have Judy Miller testify

Does anybody else find it interesting that the NY Slimes would allow Miller to go to jail rather than reveal her source, even though she has said that her source has released her from anonymity and told her she can testify?

And her reason for not doing so: She says the source was coerced into releasing her.

In my opinion her source cannot be Karl Rove for a couple reasons:

1. I cannot see the administration coercing Rove into releasing Miller from her pledge of anonymity (assuming the claim of coercion is true).

2. If the source was indeed Rove, would not the NY Slimes and Miller want that news out immediately to pile on?

No, something does not smell right here with Miller's source. Why would the NY Slimes have her go to jail, rather than testify even AFTER her source told her she could?

The only thing I can think of is the source would make liberals look very bad, or the Slimes look bad (or both), or it would exonerate Rove.

Besides the fact that this is a complete non-story and Rove broke no laws, something is just not right with the Slimes forcing a reporter to go to jail when it was not necessary.

32 posted on 07/12/2005 9:07:03 PM PDT by technomage
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Plame's last "cover" was as a State Department employee and the State Department is well known as a nest of appeasing, globalist, Euro-socialist, Bush-hating Democrats. It was from this position at State that Plame got sneaky and managed to get her husband sent on an unauthorized trip to Niger so that he could fabricate a bogus "report" to try to damage Bush. Plame, likely employing seductress tactics learned during her long tenure at the CIA, used the simpleminded, love-struck Wilson as her chump. (By the way, I wonder how many secrets Plame was able to suck out of foreign agents.... But I digress.)

VALERIE PLAME, of all people, HAS BEEN GIVEN A COMPLETE PASS in all of this, and I don't know why. It is my contention that Valerie Plame is the ultimate scumbag in this whole disgraceful fiasco. It will be interesting to find out who her handlers are.

33 posted on 07/12/2005 9:10:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Petronski
But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary.

Like the Clintons did for the NYT's for eight plus years. One of which was Linda Tripp's personnel file, information about Kathleen Wiley and anyone else who dared to tell the truth about Bill & Hillary Clinton.

The NYT's lecturing anyone on disinformation and propaganda is a joke. They have many of those "political adversaries" of Conservatives and/or Republicans working in their so-called news room.

34 posted on 07/12/2005 9:10:07 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mikenash

Mike, I'm all out of exclamation points and question marks. Could you give a few back?


35 posted on 07/12/2005 9:13:13 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: cubreporter

She'll stay in jail as long as the judge wants to keep her there. I agree, Rove is not her source. If she does reveal her source, though, the NYT will have to stop its attacks on Rove. I think the source is Joe Wilson himself. I think the NYT is making it worth Miller's while to stay in jail and I think they no longer care about being impartial. Only libs read that rag so why not cater to them. The same is happening on the network news, CNN, MSNBC, et al. Rather than try to woo back their lost viwers/readers they've decided to shore up their base...the libs.


36 posted on 07/12/2005 9:15:00 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If the Times knows that Rove was not the leak, yet allows him to twist in the wind like this, then they are beneath contempt. They have forfeited any reputation of journalistic integrity (if they indeed had any remaining.

The story is a simple one (to me at least), Rove was communicating to Cooper that Wilson was not, shall we say, as pure as source as the Slimes and Slime magazine would want everyone to believe. If you are going to run with a story, tell the whole story, including the integrity of the sources involved. As usual, the mainstream media missed the point.

37 posted on 07/12/2005 9:16:09 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
The part that worries me the most, and thing the DemocRATS having been hammering home over and over these past few days is this part of the law, which I have to admit never states that the agent has to be named, only identified. According to that weasel Cooper, Rove identified Plame as "Joe Wilson's wife". This prosecutor, who appears to me to be on a political witch hunt, may find that as damning enough. The law reads: "Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identity of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both." The way this law reads to me, it doesn't matter at all whether Roved cited Plame specifically by name.
38 posted on 07/12/2005 9:16:35 PM PDT by rubeng
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To: REDWOOD99

MMMM, well I wonder how long she'll bite the bullet? Does she have a family? I sure wouldn't separate myself from my husband and kids. NO way, no how.


39 posted on 07/12/2005 9:17:23 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: CFC__VRWC

Well, they have come out swinging......like crazy. Major networks, newspapers, etc....have all declared Rove the "leak".


40 posted on 07/12/2005 9:21:05 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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