Posted on 07/14/2005 7:56:52 AM PDT by paltz
You really don't see that you completely left the topic and swerved onto Wilson's Iraq experience, which has absolutley nothing to do with what we were talking about?
You can't answer questions and logic so YOU--remember--not me started with "Kool-Aid" and "hack" insults.
The sign of one who's lost the argument. You can whine all you want, but we all know that's the truth. And so do you. ;)
I'm sure that's what led President Bush to call him a "True American Hero" and "courageous" and "inspiring."
Statements like that show that I wasn't making any personal attack. I was just stating objective fact.
Nice try, keep running away from the debate you've lost, keep deflecting from the issue YOU brought up, have fun.
Lost the argument? I'll have 'lost the argument' when you can show me a single statement by Joe Wilson claiming that he was sent to Niger by the VP's office rather than the CIA. That's what this document says is an "inaccuracy" or "misstatement". But he never said it. And you can't point to anything where he did say it.
As I have said over and over, you are bitching about the phrasing of a subject line--every other point is true. I'm sick of having to repeat it to you, because you can't seem to grasp anything except the most basic English. You cannot understand what Wilson was doing--funny how you didn't respond to that post of mine, hmmm? (Too busy calling names, I guess.)
As for your "hero":
"According to my sources, during most of his diplomatic career he specialized in general services and administration, which means he was not the political or economic adviser to the ambassador, rather he was the guy who makes sure the embassy plumbing is working and that the commissary is stocked with Oreos and other products the ambassador prefers.
"Just prior to the Gulf War, he did serve in Iraq, a hot spot to be sure, but that was under Ambassador April Glaspie, who failed to make it clear to Saddam that invading Kuwait would elicit a robust response from Washington. I doubt that Wilson advised her to do otherwise. I rather doubt she asked. As he says in his book, she was giving him an "on-the-spot education in Middle Eastern diplomacy. It was a part of the world in which I had no experience."
"In 1991, Wilson's book jacket boasts, President George H.W. Bush praised Wilson as "a true American hero," and he was made an ambassador. But for some reason, he was assigned not to Cairo, Paris, or Moscow, places where you put the best and the brightest, nor was he sent to Bermuda or Luxembourg, places you send people you want to reward. Instead, he was sent to Gabon, a diplomatic backwater of the first rank."
http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200407121105.asp
So other than a politician tossing around compliments, your hero's major accomplishments were so mind-boggling that he was rewarded with an ambassadorship to...GABON.
Stay in denial, keep spinning your wheels, keep ignoring the points brought up--you and Wilson live in bizarre, insular worlds where facts don't seem to matter.
At the very least Wilson was murky on Cheney's request. VERY murky, and nearly enough to rise to the level of misleading.
I love that she kept calling him "Clown Wilson" on H & C last night. Colmes was about to come undone. Coulter does a good job of springing the left-wingers.
It points to him being incompetent.
Yes I liked that too. Poor Alan, 'you're slandering Mr Wilson'. Ha! If it acts like a clown, and talks like a clown, call it a Clown!
Wilson was in Iraq as Charge' after his boss, April Glaspie, gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield/Storm. Even Presidents are guilty of hyperbole.
In 1985-1986, Wilson served in the offices of Senator Albert Gore and the House Majority Whip, Representative Thomas Foley, as an American Political Science Association Congressional Fellow. He has been a Democrat contributor over many years. To suggest that Wilson is not a political partisan is ridiculous.
Question: If the VP's office was the genesis of the Wilson report, why was the VP never briefed on it or made aware of the Wilson trip? The answer is that this was strictly a CIA initiative, probably thought up by Plame to get her husband a free trip out to Niger to conduct some personal business that began in 1999.
I guess ol' Joe was just makin' all that up, too. It was all part of his plan to eventually set up the President's son.
If Wilson was such a luminary in the State Department, why did he retire after only 22 years? I suspect it was because he was a dim bulb and reached his level of incompetency.
Wilson is now working for CPS, a Turkish run lobbying group, as a strategic advisor. CPS
Q:So you understood that the CIA didn't even have these documents?
That's correct.
Q:They had heard about them from another intelligence service?
They had a report from their intelligence service, from their field operative, based upon either a viewing of these documents or a third party's having shared with them information relating to the document.
Q:I see. So it's in some ways hearsay, or "We've seen something, but we want to investigate."
That's right. …
And Wilson has subsequently said:
"I never claimed to have 'debunked' the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Iraq."
http://dailyhowler.com/dh072004.shtml
What is murky about "Cheney didn't know I was going"?
I am sure that Wilson was hoping to get an important position in the Kerry administration. He obviously was going nowhere in the State Department, which is why he left after only 22 years. Novak did Wilson a huge favor by mentioning his wife's name. Wilson has cashed in "big time" for a retired, undistinguished bureaucrat. He has made a lot of money for his 15 minutes of fame, which is now becoming 30 minutes.
Wilson is transparent--we see through him so easily.
The sad thing is, so do those supporting him. They just don't care.
Why aren't our guys shoving these facts in the face of the dimwits and their media friends?
Where's that pic of Joe and wife in the whitehouse with Slick?
Seems to me like he is convinced that he was doing work on behest of the Office of the Vice President.
While Cheney did in fact ask intelligence officials about the Iraq-Niger connection, Wilson's report never reached Cheney.
And even assuming he didn't, quite a few liberals were making the claim for him.
On a final note, Wilson's op-ed piece "What I Didn't Find in Africa," certainly tries to connect his mission to Cheney: "Those are the facts surrounding my efforts. The vice president's office asked a serious question. I was asked to help formulate the answer. I did so, and I have every confidence that the answer I provided was circulated to the appropriate officials within our government."
And the GOP isn't claiming his wife sent him, but that she was highly influential in getting him the assignment.
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