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Make No Mistake: It's a War of Civilizations
Real Clear Politics ^ | 14 July 2005 | Ed Koch

Posted on 07/14/2005 8:31:44 AM PDT by lowbuck

The events of 9/11 and 7/7 will dominate the lives of Americans and the British for generations to come.

Even if no more terrorist attacks are perpetrated against us -- regrettably, there will be -- those two acts of mass murder will long be remembered. On 9/11, we suffered 2,986 dead and 2,337 injured; On 7/7, the estimate is that 52 died and 700 were injured. English law enforcement has not yet determined which group was responsible, although the speculation is that al-Qaeda was involved.

According to the U.S. government, the al Qaeda organization is active in Europe, and other terrorist organizations are associated with Islamic fanatics who live in more than 60 countries worldwide.

The various terrorist organizations are overwhelmingly Muslim. I believe they are supported by millions of Muslims around the world who are bent on destroying both Western civilization and those Muslims, Christians and Jews who believe in the Western values of democracy and tolerance. Of course, not every Muslim is a fanatic or terrorist, as pointed out by Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, the general manager of the Al Arabiya television station, who said, “It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.” They are responsible for near daily suicide bombings in Iraq that have deliberately murdered Iraqi police, military personnel and thousands of innocent civilians -- men, women and children.

We are truly in a war of civilizations. While the Muslim fanatics do not have us on the run, they have won some major victories. I count among those victories the submission of France and Germany to the demands of Islamic fanatics, and their refusal to stand with us in Iraq, despite the fact that we are now there pursuant to a U.N. Security Council resolution and at the request of the recently-elected Iraqi government. Italy, which originally stood with us, has announced it will leave Iraq by the end of the year. Prime Minister Berlusconi is running for reelection and is worried that the Italian electorate will throw him out of office as did Spanish voters to their pro-Iraq war prime minister and his governing party after the Madrid railroad bombings. The newly-elected Socialist government in Spain withdrew its troops. Poland has already withdrawn its troops.

The Secret Organization of al-Qaeda in Europe which issued a statement taking responsibility for the London attack said after berating Britain for its being in Iraq and Afghanistan, “We still warn the governments of Denmark, Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will meet the same fate if they don’t pull their forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan.” Here we have it. For the Islamic terrorists, each and every one of their demands must be met by the Christian governments or they will suffer acts of terrorism. Every head of state has expressed outrage. For example, Chirac of France said, “I would like to express the full horror I feel at the terrorist attacks which bathed the British capital in blood this morning. I would like to express to all Londoners, to all of the British people, the solidarity, the compassion and the friendship of France and the French people.”

What world leaders should have said is, “An attack upon any one of us is an attack upon all of us and each of us now pledges to send 10,000 troops to Iraq. We will not be intimidated by terrorism.” Instead, they engaged in platitudes.

Today in Great Britain, George Galloway sits in the Parliament, a former member of the Labor Party, who broke away, joining the RESPECT party which ran in the last election. Its major message is to blame Tony Blair for supporting and joining forces with the U.S. in Iraq. Galloway criticized Blair after 7/7 saying, “Tragically, Londoners have now paid the price of the government ignoring such warnings.” Galloway represents the vision of the Brits who supported Neville Chamberlain in 1939. Blair, on the other hand, represents the vision of Winston Churchill. Fortunately, the British chose to reelect Tony Blair in the last election. Blair understands the Islamic terrorists worldwide are bent on killing Christians (Crusaders), Jews and Muslims who defy them. In Iraq, they have killed thousands of innocent civilians -- Shiites -- who recently voted for a democratic, tolerant government.

In 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on the U.S. four days later, there were opponents of the Roosevelt policy of supporting the survival of a British government seeking to repel the pending Nazi invasion. Many of them were allied with the America First Committee led by Charles Lindbergh who sought to use anti-Semitism to coalesce the country, blaming the Jews for the world’s ills. Under that umbrella organization, there were Nazi supporters and others who sought to be neutral in what was then clearly becoming a war of civilizations, pitting European and American democracy against fascist totalitarianism.

The America First Committee dissolved after December 7, 1941, and most of its adherents stood shoulder-to-shoulder against the enemies of the U.S. and Western civilization.

In England, there were comparable groups and they too dissolved. Will that happen now in England as a result of 7/7? Has it happened in the U.S. as a result of 9/11? Regrettably, not.

Should we stand aside in Iraq and elsewhere and allow the terrorists to impose their will in that country and elsewhere throughout the world? I think not. I believe that countries not yet involved and unwilling to expend blood and money like Germany, France and others to protect our democratic values will rue their desertions from the cause of liberty and tolerance.

In a recent New York Times article, Tom Friedman pointed out, “The Muslim village has been derelict in condemning the madness of jihadist attacks. When Salman Rushdie wrote a controversial novel involving the prophet Muhammad, he was sentenced to death by the leader of Iran. To this day -- to this day -- no major Muslim cleric or religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden.” Regrettably, our “friends” who are appalled by 7/7 are guilty as well by their absence from the battlefields of Iraq where the war between civilizations is now being waged.


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Very interesting comments by a very interesting man.
1 posted on 07/14/2005 8:31:44 AM PDT by lowbuck
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To: lowbuck

And it will happen in Paris, Rome, Germany and other western cities. When will the namby pambies get it right?--it is a war of civilizations.


2 posted on 07/14/2005 8:37:47 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I got rejected from "Mullah Omar's Eye for the Infidel Guy")
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To: lowbuck; eyespysomething
Of course, not every Muslim is a fanatic or terrorist, as pointed out by Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, the general manager of the Al Arabiya television station, who said, “It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.”

While I believe this to be the case, I think the question that has to be answered if we're going to successfully win the WOT is whether or not all Muslims seek world domination for their religion.

The jury is still out, but I've never seen any comments from any Muslim anywhere that left me with the impression they were willing to coexist with other religions.

3 posted on 07/14/2005 8:40:36 AM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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Instead, they engaged in platitudes.

And promised $3b for Hamas.

4 posted on 07/14/2005 8:43:26 AM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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To: SittinYonder
While I believe this to be the case, I think the question that has to be answered if we're going to successfully win the WOT is whether or not all Muslims seek world domination for their religion.

If they don't they are not faithful, ie.. not Islam. And that is the bottom line. Islam is a religion that at its roots has declared war on the world.

5 posted on 07/14/2005 8:50:14 AM PDT by D Rider
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We are truly in a war of civilizations.

So when are WE going to declare war and start mobilizing to absolute victory as we did 65 years ago??

6 posted on 07/14/2005 8:53:26 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: lowbuck
Correction: Make No Mistake: It's a War of Civilizations versus Barbarism.
7 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:02 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Islam: Nothing BEER couldn't cure!)
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To: lowbuck

Give up. Our "civlization" lacks the will to do what is necessary to win. It would be "genocide."


8 posted on 07/14/2005 8:59:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: D Rider
If they don't they are not faithful, ie.. not Islam.

Exactly. There may be some who disagree with the terrorist tactics, but in the end they all support the goal of the terrorists. So how long before their agreed upon goal convinces those currently opposed to terrorism that the terrorists have the right idea to bring it about?

We've got a helluva fight in front of us, I just hope we've got our "war" properly defined.

9 posted on 07/14/2005 9:00:07 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: lowbuck

Time for the Knights of Malta to mount up again.


10 posted on 07/14/2005 9:04:47 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SittinYonder
We in America have a Christian Moral Tradition that will always prevent us from wiping them all out. But Europe has functionally lot its Christian tradition. When and if they decide it's time to eliminate the Muslim virus, it will be the Third Reich in spades.

A few years ago, I thought Europe would just succumb. But there are now signs that an attitude change is beginning to roll in.

11 posted on 07/14/2005 9:10:42 AM PDT by D Rider
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"So when are WE going to declare war and start mobilizing to absolute victory as we did 65 years ago??"

When the first "real" weapon of mass destruction is set off on our soil (and no, as horrific as it was, flying airplanes into buildings doesn't qualify). It will either be a "dirty nuke" or a "bio-bomb". THAT is what it will take to wake up the leftist antiwar nutcases.

12 posted on 07/14/2005 9:11:03 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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THAT is what it will take to wake up the leftist antiwar nutcases.

I doubt that.

13 posted on 07/14/2005 9:14:45 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: D Rider
But Europe has functionally lot its Christian tradition.

That's the big mistake of Koch's article that I see, he refers to European nations as Christian nations. Most are very deliberately secular, and the EU especially so.

14 posted on 07/14/2005 9:17:09 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: lowbuck
"Make No Mistake: It's a War of Civilizations..."

What we are esperiencing is a clash of cultures. One which denies individual freedoms vs. one that embraces them.

Fascism vs. Freedom - it really is as simple as that.

Unfortunately this is far worse than the fascism inspired by the Nazi's or the Communist's. Those were man made ideologies; Islamofacism is inspired by religion, an ideology that is much harder to defeat.

We better have the Patience and perseverance to see this through the long haul. This is a confrontation that will take years, if not decades to defeat. Unfortunately, most Americans don't have a clue as to what we are up against, as well as, what failure really translates to.

IMHO.
15 posted on 07/14/2005 9:24:45 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: lowbuck
Make No Mistake: It's a War of Civilizations

Not quite right. It's a war of Civilization against those who hate such.

16 posted on 07/14/2005 9:33:37 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: lowbuck
interesting things said by Muslims:

In England after the US and Briton went to Afghanistan,
"we are Muslims living in Briton"

That should be the clue that Muslims don't recognize state boundaries and to win we should not. But it would be better to take them on in a divided front then a united front.

I agree, this is an Idealogical war, my beliefs say those who believe in Islam are Infidels (not the other way around). And they are declaring war against us.
17 posted on 07/14/2005 9:59:05 AM PDT by PureTrouble
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To: SittinYonder
they were willing to coexist with other religions.

They have no respect for any other religion. But, they have several versions of their own religion, just as Christianity has thousands of versions. Muslims are not strong on theory, so it is pointless to ask one why his version is the right one and how he can respect the other versions that are wrong in his estimation. They will coexist if necessary, but they would rather not.

18 posted on 07/14/2005 10:04:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: DTogo
IMHO, the war started back with the Iranian hostage crisis and worked its way to the twin towers, via among others, Lebanon, Kenya and the USS Cole.

We finally decided to join the WOT after 9/11 however the world has focused on Afghanistan and Iraq because this is easy to understand. This is conventional warfare, identify the enemy, take his territory and kill the bad guys.

However, I believe that the true and greater war is being waged in the shadows just like President Bush told us in one of his initial addresses. I have to believe that we are winning. But the media cannot report what it doesn't know. And because the public is largely unable to grasp warfare of this nature, much less think long term, there may be a perception that the problem (WOT) is too big to be tackled and won.

Someone else, here or elsewhere, mused that the WOT would take years if not decades. I think decades is closer to the truth. I hope we have the sense to elect leaders in the future with the backbone to see this through. I shudder to think of Al Gore being in the White House and his non response to 9/11.
19 posted on 07/14/2005 10:50:24 AM PDT by lowbuck
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To: PureTrouble
And they are declaring war against us.

And that was the reason for the crusades, ...the first time around.

20 posted on 07/14/2005 12:22:53 PM PDT by D Rider
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