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To: DTA

I never accused you of commiting war crimes. I said that given you attitude towards me, I can only imagine what you would do to a Bosnian Muslim.

as for when the war started, are you willing to state that Serbia's attack on the Drina Valley was a justified response to some gunbattle with Croats in northern Bosnia? That does seem to be the implication of you pointing out that March 92 incident. Again, you only proved my point on what lost the war for Serbia.

Me a "Liberal?" Well at least you didn't call me a jihadust or something. Isn't that the usual serb insult for those who object to their war tactics?


47 posted on 07/18/2005 1:24:53 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
You say " I never accused you of commiting war crimes". This is completely uneccessary, because I have never said that you did.

Please go back and read what I wrote. That was sarcasm (I wrote that if you groundlessly accuse me of what I could do toward my alleged neighbors you may accuse me of commiting of war crimes as well since I never lived in Bosnia nor set a foot there during the war.)

it seems that you have pre-conceived picture of events in the Balkans and get angry when facts differ from your preconceptions.

According to your template, the massacre of Serb civilians in Sejekovac is a battle although perps were armed and the victims were not, Serbia attacked Bosnia in Drina valley in april 1992 and Serbia waged war in Bosnia and lost.

On my attempt to explain the facts, you respond with another groundless accusation in an attempt to kick the ball out of the field.

We know that liberal's reasoning is immune to facts and logic.

I apologize if you are not a liberal. But you do sound as one.

48 posted on 07/18/2005 1:51:47 PM PDT by DTA
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To: johnnyBbad
You say " I never accused you of commiting war crimes". This is completely uneccessary, because I have never said that you did.

Please go back and read what I wrote. That was sarcasm (I wrote that if you groundlessly accuse me of what I could do toward my alleged neighbors you may accuse me of commiting of war crimes as well since I never lived in Bosnia nor set a foot there during the war.)

it seems that you have pre-conceived picture of events in the Balkans and get angry when facts differ from your preconceptions.

According to your template, the massacre of Serb civilians in Sejekovac is a battle although perps were armed and the victims were not, Serbia attacked Bosnia in Drina valley in april 1992 and Serbia waged war in Bosnia and lost.

On my attempt to explain the facts, you respond with another groundless accusation in an attempt to kick the ball out of the field.

We know that liberal's reasoning is immune to facts and logic.

I apologize if you are not a liberal. But you do sound as one.

49 posted on 07/18/2005 1:51:48 PM PDT by DTA
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To: johnnyBbad
The first shot of the war was the shooting death of Serb civilian Nikola Gardovic on March 1, 1992 in the old town section of Sarajevo during a wedding procession where he was carrying the Yugoslav flag (he was the father of the groom). He was shot by Ramiz Delalic "Celo", deputy commander of the 9th Brigade in the Muslim controlled army.

Had you ever heard of "Celo" before?

What about Musan Topalovic "Caco", who was commander of the Tenth Mountain Brigade of the Army of Bosnia-Hercegovia?

Are you familiar with the name Jusuf Prazina?

All these men are accused for atocities against Serb civilians in Sarajevo - and elsewhere - including running torture/death camps throughout Sarajevo, beheading and throwing the bodies in a gorge called Kazani, and more.

These men were praised by Izetbegovic, including on TV. They were hardened criminals and ex-cons in the years before the war and Izetbegovic put them in charge.

After they had done their dirty work in the areas of Sarajevo and elsewhere which Muslims controlled, Izetbegovic sought to distance himself and make the army more professional - so he fought them and/or had them arrested, killed and/or demoted. There were internal fights among the Muslims in the arrests.

This how witness Lieutenant-Colonel Christian Bergeron of the Canadian Armed Forces testified at the Hague about the arrests of Celo and Caco in 1993:

JUDGE EL MAHDI: [Interpretation] Yes. Thank you. Just a slight clarification, please. This is in relation to what you said. During the effort of the army, or rather the command of the army, of the Presidency army, to have an effective command and control on some of their factions inside their troops, you spoke of some exchange of fire which took place between units of the army of the Presidency and some groups, and that this had caused some civilian victims. How long did it last, this operation? Was this a one-day or two-day operation or did this go on for months?

A. Well, from what we knew about it or, rather, the most important, the most famous that we could see the effects on the ground itself, this operation must have lasted about 48, 72 hours. This operation took away Celo and Caco. As far as I remember, this was an operation, 72 hours.

JUDGE EL MAHDI: [Interpretation] However, this operation did cause some civilian deaths?

A. There were losses, I know, but I don't know how many. I don't know the details.


50 posted on 07/18/2005 1:57:52 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad; DTA

the war started quietly by the croatians against the serbs of the pakrac region of western slavonia/croatia, back in 1987/8.


91 posted on 09/13/2005 4:34:58 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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