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1 posted on 07/15/2005 2:20:05 PM PDT by Crackingham
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What tangled webs we weave.

Yes, especially when the MSM can't keep up with the story, Rove is no longer the culprit, even Wilson is backing down.

2 posted on 07/15/2005 2:24:59 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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Since when did the liberals/dems really cared about our Intelligence agencies and the military ?
4 posted on 07/15/2005 3:14:02 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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**BOOM** ...It went up in THE NEW YORK (the ole gray whore) SLIME's face...so much, for "their vaulted prestige/correctness/reputation"...all in tatters.
5 posted on 07/15/2005 7:22:58 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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The Dims can't clear the water. But like Roy McAvoy, Kevin Costner's character in Tin Cup, they are compelled to try and try again. On the 72nd hole in the U. S. Open, IIRC.

"Ball," McAvoy calls out to his caddy, and hits ball after ball after ball into the water just short of the green, and loses the Open.

The Dims can't clear the water.

6 posted on 07/15/2005 7:34:33 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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"Maximum harm on Karl Rove?" I disagree with Rich Lowry's conclusion; instead this whole brouhaha backfired on our elite media. They're left holding an empty bag.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 07/16/2005 1:34:31 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


8 posted on 07/17/2005 4:28:33 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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