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KKK chief testifies about 1979 shootings
Kansas City Star ^ | July 16, 2005 | Estes Thompson

Posted on 07/16/2005 5:45:50 PM PDT by Graybeard58

GREENSBORO, N.C. - A Ku Klux Klan leader who was at a workers' rally more than 25 years ago where five people died and 10 others were injured gave defiant testimony to a commission Saturday, saying "maybe God guided the bullets."

Virgil L. Griffin of Mount Holly, imperial wizard of the Cleveland Knights of the KKK, said someone in the crowd of Communist Workers Party marchers fired first and hit a van driven by a Klansman.

"We had every right to drive down that street with nobody touching the cars," he said. "I didn't come to shoot or kill anybody."

Griffin spoke before the Greensboro Truth and Reconciliation Commission, an effort modeled on similar commissions in South Africa and Peru.

The commission is investigating the deaths at the Nov. 3, 1979, march organized by the Communist Workers Party that ended when members of the Klan and the American Nazi Party opened fire.

The commission is meeting without the support of city leaders in Greensboro, and it has no authority to pursue criminal or civil claims or grant immunity from them.

Leaders in Greensboro, a city of 223,000 in central North Carolina, fear the hearings will rekindle old animosities, but organizers hope to uncover what they feel is the untold story behind the shootings and promote healing.

Afterward, police hustled Griffin out of the meeting hall. Before they could drive him away, Griffin handed out business cards to reporters and described the commission as "a total waste of time."

"It would have been forgotten 20 years ago if you didn't keep it in the news," he said.

In 1984, federal prosecutors failed to win a conviction against Griffin, who was acquitted of conspiracy to interfere with a federal investigation.

Several Klansmen were acquitted of murder charges at a state trial. A civil trial did find the Klan, the American Nazi Party and the Greensboro Police Department jointly liable for the wrongful deaths of the five people killed. The city paid $350,000.

Signe Waller, the widow of a communist labor organizer shot and killed at the march, told the commission Friday that city and federal law enforcement knew the Klan planned to attack the marchers, but did not take any action to stop the "government-sanctioned killings."

"It appears to me that a death squad of terrorists was normalized in this city long before Sept. 11, 2001," Waller told commissioners.

Earlier in the day on Saturday, a former KKK grand dragon said authorities were simply indifferent and did not consider the potential for violence.

Gorrell Pierce said fighting between marchers and Klan members ended in shooting because Communists tried to pull a 79-year-old Klansman out of his car. He said he had ordered members of his Klan faction not to attend the march and that he was told what happened by others in the Klan.

"To tell the truth, if you look at the evidence and see what happened, it was all self-defense," said Pierce, who said he was Christmas shopping in Winston-Salem on the day of the shootings. "Everybody was participating in a riot."

In the weeks that followed, the Klan all but died out in central North Carolina, Pierce said.

"When the smoke cleared down here after the shooting, there was as good as no Klan," he said. "Everybody headed for the hills."

Greensboro's mayor from 1993-1999, Carolyn Allen, said Pierce "should be awarded an Academy Award for his performance."

"He was very smooth," she said.


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1 posted on 07/16/2005 5:45:52 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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The klan, the nazis and the communists. Who do you root for in a fight like that?


2 posted on 07/16/2005 5:46:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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It's about time that Sen. Byrd fessed up!!!


3 posted on 07/16/2005 5:47:53 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: Graybeard58

Robert Byrd alert!!


4 posted on 07/16/2005 5:48:31 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: Graybeard58

You hope nobody misses and there's enough ammo to go around.


5 posted on 07/16/2005 5:49:31 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: Graybeard58
The klan, the nazis and the communists. Who do you root for in a fight like that?

The police officers unlucky enough to have to quell the riot.

6 posted on 07/16/2005 5:54:43 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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The klan, the nazis and the communists. Who do you root for in a fight like that?

I'd root for all three of them to shoot each other full of holes, but then I'm kind of a violent person to begin with.

I'm trying to figure out why this commission was ever convened and why any of the KKK men went and testified. The commission doesn't seem to have any force of law behind it.

... the Greensboro Truth and Reconciliation Commission, an effort modeled on similar commissions in South Africa and Peru.

The commission is meeting without the support of city leaders in Greensboro, and it has no authority to pursue criminal or civil claims or grant immunity from them. ... but organizers hope to uncover what they feel is the untold story behind the shootings and promote healing.

7 posted on 07/16/2005 5:58:40 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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"The police officers unlucky enough to have to quell the riot."
They merely have to delay their appearance while loading on donuts and coffee. With any luck there would be few rioters left standing.
8 posted on 07/16/2005 5:59:31 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Graybeard58

Never saw a blackmailer quit after one payment.


9 posted on 07/16/2005 6:01:34 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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Folks, I live in the area. I wasn't living here when this happened.

This "Commission" is pure BS. It is just another angle by local blacks to keep the kettle simmering. Every night on the news Channel 2, which has always been very heavy black oriented, can't wait to fan the fire. The big catch phrase is something like, "We need this in order to let things heal." This happened in 1979. If the black "leaders" would drop it it would have gone away 20 years ago. I don't know one person who stays up nights worrying about the Klan/Nazi shootings in 1979.

10 posted on 07/16/2005 6:02:23 PM PDT by Flint
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Senator Byrd...White (hooded) Courtesy Phone...
11 posted on 07/16/2005 6:02:41 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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"I'm trying to figure out why this commission was ever convened and why any of the KKK men went and testified. The commission doesn't seem to have any force of law behind it."

Race baiting black activists and communists created this commission as a way to provide validation for their "cause". I fully believe these very folks are very ones responsible for the cross burnings in Durham a few months, which happened just a couple of days before the initial meetings of the group were held.

I have no clue about the Klan being there.

The commission has no public authority at all. It is not sanctioned by the city nor is it supported by anywhere near a majority of the citizens of Greensboro.
12 posted on 07/16/2005 6:10:32 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: JediForce
I heard a lib say that Byrd's membership in the KKK back in the 1940s is as irrelevant as the Pope's membership in Hitler Youth back in the 1940s

How the heck do you respond to logic like that?

13 posted on 07/16/2005 6:12:47 PM PDT by Teplukin
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To: Graybeard58
The klan, the nazis and the communists. Who do you root for in a fight like that?

This is what my father used to describe as a win-win situation.

14 posted on 07/16/2005 6:15:41 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Teplukin

YOU BEAT THEM SENSELESS AT THE POLLS. AND WE HAVE BEEN.


15 posted on 07/16/2005 6:15:48 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Rebelbase; Flint

Thanks to both of you for your posts.


16 posted on 07/16/2005 6:16:31 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Graybeard58

Or as Colonel Jeff Cooper used to say,"This sounds like a problem that is solving itself."


17 posted on 07/16/2005 6:17:13 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Graybeard58

Anyone who helps put them behind bars.


18 posted on 07/16/2005 6:27:01 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Graybeard58
The klan, the Nazis and the communists. Who do you root for in a fight like that?

Easy. The Klan. They will die out from old age. It would have been nice if they could have taken out all the communists before they croak. The Nazis need killing too, but the commies by far have the worst record.

19 posted on 07/16/2005 8:01:22 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: Teplukin

That's easy. Sheets Byrd would not have been arrested as a subversive for refusing to join the Klan in 1940s WV. Ratzinger didn't have much of a choice in the matter - Byrd did.


20 posted on 07/16/2005 8:15:31 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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