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With mosque, dream is reality
The Wichita Eagle ^ | July 14, 2005 | Joe Rodriguez

Posted on 07/16/2005 9:02:48 PM PDT by BigFinn

Wichita-area Muslims on Wednesday celebrated the grand opening of Kansas' largest mosque.

The event drew hundreds of visitors -- including Gov. Kathleen Sebelius -- to join the celebration and tour the facility.

The 10,050-square-foot mosque -- which has yet to be officially named -- is at 6655 E. 34th St. North and adjoins the Muslim Community Center, where Muslims had previously prayed.

The mosque includes a carpeted prayer area on the main floor, a 10-foot-high speaker's platform or pulpit, an area to wash the bodies of people who have died and an office for the imam, a prayer leader.

For Muslims, the opening of the mosque marked the end of nearly 10 years of concept planning and four years of fiscal planning. It was built at a cost of more than $800,000, debt-free.

"It's just like home," said Nabil Seyam, spokesman for the Islamic Society of Wichita. "The mosque, it is a place of worship, but it also is a place where it feels like home. There is no evil in it. It's a place of peace."


Eileen Farhat, left, prepares to give Gov. Kathleen Sebelius a tour of the new Wichita mosque on Wednesday.

As part of the grand opening ceremony, there were readings from the Quran. Muslim leaders and Sebelius gave speeches to a standing-room only audience of several hundred inside the community center.

Sebelius told the group she was impressed with the facility not just as a faith center, but as a community center and education center. There is a school inside the building.

After the speeches and readings, visitors were allowed to tour the mosque. Visitors removed their shoes as they entered the carpeted prayer area. Women were given scarves to cover their hair.

After the tour, Sebelius said she hoped the visibility of the mosque would prompt non-Muslims to visit and learn more about the faith.

"I'm a big believer that the more we learn about one another, the more we learn how much we have in common," she said. "People tend to view each other with a little suspicion until they figure out these are parents and professionals and community leaders. I think this is great."

Assem Farhat, president of the board of trustees for the Islamic Society of Wichita, saw another positive in having such a large mosque in the city.

"It improves the attractability of the city to Muslims" from outside the city, he said. "They would be more likely to consider Wichita."

Following the tours, people gathered in the community center for refreshments.

At one table sat Sharfuddin Shah, the former president of the board of trustees for the Islamic Society. He moved to Dallas last year before the mosque was complete, so seeing the finished building was important and special.

"It's very nice," he said. "I was glad to hear it was finished and glad to see it finished."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: burkawearingrats; dhimmitude; islam; kansascitymosque; mosque; mosques; mosquewatch; muslimamericans; rats; sebelius; wichita
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The Islamization of Kansas City? Slap me, I must be dreaming.
1 posted on 07/16/2005 9:02:48 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn

Oh, gross. Right where I live.


2 posted on 07/16/2005 9:04:43 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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To: BigFinn
Wichita-area Muslims on Wednesday celebrated the grand opening of Kansas' largest mosque. The event drew hundreds of visitors -- including Gov. Kathleen Sebelius -- to join the celebration and tour the facility.

F#%$ng beautiful...just F#%$ng beautiful.
3 posted on 07/16/2005 9:09:23 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: BigFinn
"Sebelius told the group she was impressed with the facility not just as a faith center, but as a community center and education center. There is a school inside the building."

EDUCATION .......hmmmm...wonder what KIND OF EDUCATION? Is it sanctioned by the State.....do they have to follow the rules of the State like Home Schoolers and Private Schools.....????

4 posted on 07/16/2005 9:10:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: BigFinn

this is Wichita...

KC has had mosques and a full fledged madrassa since the mid 90's. The KC Madrassa was funded in large part by the Saudi royal family, along strict Wahabbist lines.

Islamic centers are now complete at all 4 year universities in KS, also with the help of the Saudi's. KU & KSU have the main centers for spiritual doctrine, the imam in KU is a supposedly well respected Pakistani. The Islamic Centers at Fort Hays, WSU, Pitt, and Emporia are merely outreach and "spiritual development" centers.

Rumor has it that if you convert to Islam they will help pay for college, but I don't know the veracity of this. Supposedly works to get inner city youth into college and into the muslim community.

Welcome to middle America!


5 posted on 07/16/2005 9:12:09 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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To: BigFinn
What the f**k is THIS???

All I want to know is...when do the impeachement proceedings begin? Time, place and channel. There is nothing more to say!


6 posted on 07/16/2005 9:13:12 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Utmost Certainty
I wonder if she would be nearly as enthusiastic about a new Catholic cathedral, Jewish synagogue or Mormon temple opening in Kansas. I rather doubt it because the ACLU would be on her like fleas on a dog for mixing church and state.

But somehow, the ACLU gives a pass to Muslims, since both are united in their hatred of all things American, Christian or Jewish.

7 posted on 07/16/2005 9:13:31 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Will_Zurmacht

OMG....so....are they "moderate Muslims?"


8 posted on 07/16/2005 9:13:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: Will_Zurmacht
Rumor has it that if you convert to Islam they will help pay for college, but I don't know the veracity of this. Supposedly works to get inner city youth into college and into the muslim community.

A cancer on our nation which must be excised before it is too late.

9 posted on 07/16/2005 9:15:07 PM PDT by montag813
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To: BigFinn
Target coordinates:

Latitude: 37° 43' North

Longitude: 97° 20' West

Ordnance: JDAM

10 posted on 07/16/2005 9:20:30 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Vigilanteman

Amen. I'll leave you a little quote from our fellow Freeper Alouette: "ACLU = Atheists, Communists, and Liars Unlimited."


11 posted on 07/16/2005 9:21:54 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: BigFinn; Utmost Certainty
Here, you need to see the jihadists discussing terrorist operations in Israel and recruiting others at Bartle Hall in the Kansas City, Missouri downtown in 1989 and 1990. And New Jersey, and Detroit, and Washington D.C., as well as offices that were in Florida, Texas, meetings in Lawrence, Kansas, references to Columbia, Missouri, and much more. Granted this is an older tape but I'm sure it would surprise.



"Terrorists Among Us - The Jihad in America" VHS at Amazon.Com
12 posted on 07/16/2005 9:22:04 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: montag813
A cancer on our nation which must be excised before it is too late.

It's a cancer on the entire world. And yes, it should be completely excised.
13 posted on 07/16/2005 9:22:08 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: ncountylee

If only it were so easy. I'm afraid things will have to get alot worse before the average American wakes up and understands the immediate threat posed by the proselytes of the pedophile false prophet, moohamet (pork piss be upon him!!!)

But, when the time does come, a JDAM will be an effective and quite satisfying option.


14 posted on 07/16/2005 9:26:20 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: Vigilanteman

I don't see anything wrong with an extra effort to try to integrate Muslims into American society.

As Britain shows, cutting them off into their own ghettos with no attention paid from the outside culture just produces a breeding ground for drugs and radical politics. Maybe they do need something like this attention.

If this visit from Sebelius and other members of the media helps remind them that they are Americans, then for the best.


15 posted on 07/16/2005 9:26:20 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: goodnesswins

umm, that depends...hehe

part of my work involves studying these folks, and so I've met quite a few and got to know some pretty well.

For example, the Emporia center is a three story building built directly across campus. Some are quite reasonable folks that you wouldn't mind having as neighbors. On the other hand, there are some younger ones that are quite open about their hate for the US, "zionist conspiracies", etc.They really want to see you and I dead, and they're not at all shy about saying it.

The openly antagonistic ones are the most interesting to me. They despise western attitudes towards the individual and show a distinct dislike for Western women. Yet they copy "gansta rap" culture and dress like Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg...very odd.

Of the student pop. 80% appear to want to fit in the the US, about 20% openly hate the US. The 80% are terrified of the young thugs. That is why we are now seeing burka's in Kansas. I know one Pakistani gentleman in Emporia, KS, who I won't name, who now insists on his daughters wearing veils at least when they leave the house, lest the "young thugs" from the college attack them.

That's how this works. It's not that all muslims are fundie wackos, but enough are that they cow the others into submission.

And in our efforts to appear "multi-cultural" we aid and abet the islamofascist.


16 posted on 07/16/2005 9:26:42 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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To: msf92497
pedophile false prophet, moohamet (pork piss be upon him!!!)

Agreed - When a JDAM meets a mosque, civilization is the winner.

17 posted on 07/16/2005 9:31:34 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: BigFinn

Funny, I don't see these kind of stories when Catholic's Dream are realized and a new church is built.


18 posted on 07/16/2005 9:32:04 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Will_Zurmacht

We've had a pretty big mosque just a few hundred miles south in Tulsa for a while now. Thanks to the jackasses at University of Tulsa... training Saudi oil engineers since the 1970s!


19 posted on 07/16/2005 9:32:59 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: SpringheelJack

Huh??? You make no sense at all. Britain didn't cut them off into their own ghettos. They did that themselves since they are incapable of joining the modern world, and definitely don't want to become part of the western world. Britain's only mistake was letting them in the country, the same mistake we are making.


20 posted on 07/16/2005 9:34:17 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: SpringheelJack
I don't see anything wrong with an extra effort to try to integrate Muslims into American society.

That's frightening.

21 posted on 07/16/2005 9:34:32 PM PDT by quantim (I'm at the point now where I refer to all liberals as "insurgents.")
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To: softwarecreator
Funny, I don't see these kind of stories when Catholic's Dream are realized and a new church is built.

Right! Why is that? Could it be the catholics are not out to destroy the western world through terrorism so they are unworthy of attention? Maybe if they started killing innocents and had homicide bomber brigades, our pathetic politicians would take them seriously and bend over to appease them?
22 posted on 07/16/2005 9:40:16 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: BigFinn
Coming soon to a town near you.

MEIN KAMPF = MEIN KORAN

ALLAHU AKBAR! = HEIL HITLER!

23 posted on 07/16/2005 9:40:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: All
The Clinton / Reno Justice Dept's FBI, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) so feared and were so convinced that a kind of Christian "jihad" (my word, not theirs) was in the making due to Y2k that they put together Project Megiddo. Some reports include the post-OKC bombing creation, the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program as well as the ADL and SPLC.

(Meanwhile the jetliner flying lessons continued, a Muslim money pipeline connected to terrorist groups, and nobody with power in Washington cared.)

What if a few Christian extremists had come out of churches shooting at 0001 hours on 1 Jan., 2000?

What if, with a tiny number of exceptions, the Christian community's only comments were "the event was just awful, violence against Christians must stop also, we must stop all violence, stop picking on us, let us teach you about Christianity."

There'd be no government officials at a church opening that's what.

Is this whining? NO. If the conditions were as I described there should be no government officials at a church except to arrest suspected terrorists. Ditto mosques.

24 posted on 07/16/2005 9:41:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: Travis McGee

Not coming to my town, I can assure you of that :)


25 posted on 07/16/2005 9:41:34 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: SpringheelJack
As Britain shows, cutting them off into their own ghettos with no attention paid from the outside culture just produces a breeding ground for drugs and radical politics. Maybe they do need something like this attention.

You are joking, right? NOBODY has "cut them off into their own ghettos" but themselves! It is their choice, their education, their mandate to live in their own Muslim enclaves, and avoid the "contamination" of the "infidels."

26 posted on 07/16/2005 9:42:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Wolfhound777

One hopes!


27 posted on 07/16/2005 9:43:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Wolfhound777
Maybe if they started killing innocents and had homicide bomber brigades, our pathetic politicians would take them seriously and bend over to appease them?

It's so crazy, it just ... might ... work! =)

28 posted on 07/16/2005 9:43:36 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Travis McGee

We just need to recognize the threat, get united, and have the conviction to do what's necessary when the time comes.


29 posted on 07/16/2005 9:44:38 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Wolfhound777

I wasn't saying that Britain consciously put them into ghettos. They just ignored them, like most of the rest of Europe has, and that's how it ended up.

As for the rest of your post, I think you sweep a pretty broad brush with your word "they". I think plenty of Muslims are capable of joining the modern world. Living with the rest of America, instead of living apart, may help more join in.


30 posted on 07/16/2005 9:45:25 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Wolfhound777

Yep, we're not disarmed Brits or Frogs.


31 posted on 07/16/2005 9:45:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Wolfhound777

That's what you think! I live in the freakin' buckle of the Bible belt and it's here.


32 posted on 07/16/2005 9:45:57 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: BigFinn

So when do they start to recruit for "bombers" for the midwest?


33 posted on 07/16/2005 9:47:54 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: SpringheelJack

You are right in a sense. We shouldn't ignore them like Britain did, we should actually deal with the problem and take them out. No hate preachers from the mosques, no terrorist financing from bogus charities, and damn sure HLS needs to get off it's ass and kill the sleepers in the middle of the night.


34 posted on 07/16/2005 9:50:00 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

here in KS the Islamic centers spring up around universities as well.
The Muslim kids pay cold hard cash to the university, so they are recruiting all over the Mid-East....and at international student tuition rates, it a big business..
For the parents, it's a big bragging thing, to send the kids off to the UK or US to University.

From what I have gathered there was a big push during the mid to late 90's to expand the physical infrastructure in islamic community in the US. Thus the "Islamic Center" has emerged in every university town in KS. Most of the people involved eventually admit that a large portion of this money comes from the Saudi Royals. It's their version of philanthropy..

The system allows the muslim students to maintain themselves as a community seperate and outside of the mainstream university community.
For the Wahabi/Fundie islamist, our western society was so completly evil it was corrupting too many of their kids who came here. The system allows the kids to stay away from the rest and they even operate their own off-record banking system for the students and professors.

There are Arabic classes, Koran readings, and "Lifestyle" classes in the centers.

They recruit on campus from minorities and dissaffected types. The young muslim students will go out on evenings and look for "loners" and befriend them. It's kinda like the mormon kids, except the islamic center guys do this every weekend, not just when they are on their "mission".
Islamic leaderership comes from the local community, though that usually aligns itself with a regional mosque.
The calls to prayer have started, though they don't use speakers or amplify it, but if you are on the south end of campus it is easily heard on friday night.


35 posted on 07/16/2005 9:50:03 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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To: BigFinn

It would be ironic if the Gov. drove a car, without being accompanied by her husband, to the mosque. When is the next election, BTW?


36 posted on 07/16/2005 9:50:56 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: BigFinn
As part of the grand opening ceremony, there were readings from the Quran.

Like these?


37 posted on 07/16/2005 9:51:16 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Travis McGee
You are joking, right? NOBODY has "cut them off into their own ghettos" but themselves! It is their choice, their education, their mandate to live in their own Muslim enclaves, and avoid the "contamination" of the "infidels."

And for those reasons I suspect it's a good thing that Sebelius and all those others chose to "contaminate" them with their visit.

Letting these Muslims live apart and in a cloistered mental atmosphere just invites this kind of radical separatism.

38 posted on 07/16/2005 9:51:28 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: BigFinn

I hope the construction guys put plenty of bugs in the air vents.


39 posted on 07/16/2005 9:51:41 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: All

Ok ..how f*cking stupid is this country ..unreal just unreal.
ok lets think od a name for this place being as it dosen't have one yet,,
Temple of Doom perhaps?


40 posted on 07/16/2005 9:56:12 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: Frank_2001

Googled,and found Sebelius is a RAT. Well, surprise, surprise/sarcasm off


41 posted on 07/16/2005 9:56:37 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Will_Zurmacht
The openly antagonistic ones are the most interesting to me. They despise western attitudes towards the individual and show a distinct dislike for Western women. Yet they copy "gansta rap" culture and dress like Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg...very odd.

Nothing odd about this at all. It's just one pathetic loser culture identifying with another loser culture. Actually, it makes sense. The jihadists are murderous thugs, and so are the gangsta rappers. Of course they don't identify with individualist achievement because they are either too lazy ,too stupid, or God forbid they would have to take responsibility for their plight rather than blaming infidels or "whitey". On a sunny note, they will all get to enjoy each other's company in hell.
42 posted on 07/16/2005 9:57:42 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: BigFinn
What is going on in this country? Why are pretty much all our elected leaders in the West bending over for this 7th-century crap? Why do they want us to become dhimmis?

I really don't get it; it doesn't make any sense.

There must be some explanation that they are not telling us about...they can't all be this dumb. Can they?

43 posted on 07/16/2005 9:58:04 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Frank_2001

Of course she is, she's the one who pushed for the illegal immigrant tuition break, higher taxes, regulate every thing that moves, and most of what doesn't, drive through Abortion clinics, etc.

She ran as a "moderate" Democrat....like you couldn't of guessed that...hehe

Meanwhile we KS republicans should own the state but we always end up in the Sensible Electable Moderate Republican vs Evil Cro-Magnon Conservative fight.

Then the Dems sneak in a governorship or two here and there. predictable really....


44 posted on 07/16/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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To: B Knotts
they can't all be this dumb. Can they?

The easy thing would be to say "Yes, they are"

But that is not true, they are, in reality, no dumber than we are.  In my opinion, they do it because they have a political agenda they want to impose upon us and they will side with anyone who will help them reach it and to hell with the consequences.  They can always deal with that later, they feel.

They are louder than we are because the MSM helps spread their message.

45 posted on 07/16/2005 10:02:45 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

I dunno...sometimes I get the feeling that they believe they have no choice but to go along with it. Like there is some kind of nuclear blackmail going on.


46 posted on 07/16/2005 10:06:25 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Frank_2001

I'll dave that pic of Gov. Kathleen Sebeliusm , and after we get hit again I swear I'll print it and glue it on every non moving object I can find...Oh yea, we'll get hit again ..BIG TIME..just wait..The Moslems are VERY VERY VERY patient..<eamwhile we are letting them spread through and through this country//Already too late to know who is who anymore..We're infested


47 posted on 07/16/2005 10:08:20 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: BigFinn
As part of the grand opening ceremony, there were readings from the Quran.

And as the American sheeple have no idea what is contained in that book, nor it's companion book, the ha'dith, the idiocy of "we have much in common" continues. Then after a terror attack, they scratch their collective heads for years "trying to understand how this happened, what drove these terrorists, whose ideology doesn't represent mainstream views" and then repeat the process over, and over, and over and over again. And they never do get it.



The Koran / The Hadith on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Christ, the Gospel, The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back,
then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands,
then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

[5.51] O you who believe!
do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away,
then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

"....
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8:12

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Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

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When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47:4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off
, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." - Koran, 5:33-34)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37

According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran

Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah

"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!" - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it "Be" and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3


The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour (last human battle on Earth) will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."


The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "

48 posted on 07/16/2005 10:08:53 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: BigFinn

Time to wake up Dorothy.


49 posted on 07/16/2005 10:09:29 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: B Knotts
hmmm....interesting point.

Can you expand on that a bit more?

50 posted on 07/16/2005 10:10:12 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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