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To: Will_Zurmacht
The openly antagonistic ones are the most interesting to me. They despise western attitudes towards the individual and show a distinct dislike for Western women. Yet they copy "gansta rap" culture and dress like Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg...very odd.

Nothing odd about this at all. It's just one pathetic loser culture identifying with another loser culture. Actually, it makes sense. The jihadists are murderous thugs, and so are the gangsta rappers. Of course they don't identify with individualist achievement because they are either too lazy ,too stupid, or God forbid they would have to take responsibility for their plight rather than blaming infidels or "whitey". On a sunny note, they will all get to enjoy each other's company in hell.
42 posted on 07/16/2005 9:57:42 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Wolfhound777

I've actually sort of befriended a Jordanian grad student at the center and he is personally terrified of the "gansta muslims".

He's clued me into a lot of what is going on with these guys, and your analysis is spot on .
According to my semi-sensible Jordanian friend, the thug muslims mimick gansta culture because it helps them appear tough, and they conceptualize themselves as outsiders. The false macho makes these 120 lb. guys feel tough. And their hatred of American women, stems from the fact that few of them could ever get a date with an American woman...hehe, so says my friendly Jordanian.

On a serious note, The sensible types are losing ground to the thugs in the muslim community. When discussing this my friend explained to me the two most important events, 1979 and Afghanistan.

In 1979 the Islamis rev. in Iran gave a lot of "loser" muslims something to feel good about. Ah, we've finally stuck it to Uncle Sam. And US weakness under Carter only added to the Islamist feeling of power. This set in motion a two decade power trip on the Islamist, in which they would kick America, and America would run away and hide. The only thing the Fundies respect is power (because they're basically powerless losers)and when the US slinked away time and again it was just like We were asking for more.

Afghanistan was the icing on the cake, as the fundies now felt that they could defeat the superpowers simply by the will of Al'lah...

My friend actually thinks that US action in the Mid-East and Iraq are spot on and should have occured long ago. And he recommends Iran and the Saudi's next.
He's of the opinion that most Arab states are nothing more than mafia's that conveniently blame the US and Israel for all their problems, distracting the masses from poor leadership. Now I should note at this point that he's a Jordanian communist, and tends to get into arguments with his more islamist brothers, but I actually respect the guy for sticking to his guns in the midst of such buffonery.


52 posted on 07/16/2005 10:14:44 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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