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To: Schwaeky
I have to agree. The Christian Conservatives want, in fact demand that certain issues need to have the government in our lives, yet decry it when it enters the arena that liberals belive it should be involved in.

Christian Conservatives have in reality given up on the belief that they and their institutions such as the church can influence society. They have basically ceded the notion that deep faith can bring deep change. They want it in their time rather than the Lord's time. In fact, many churches have lost their own moral clarity, so they believe we must have law legislated or bibical law enfoced by our own courts.

Certainly abortion is wrong from a Christian perspective. Yet Christian leaders and their churches have lost the ability to influence the lives of their followers and those outside the church but yet would feel compelled to follow a good example. There will always be fallen individuals and individuals who will commit crimes or sin. But the average person who will follow a good example cannot find one in todays Christians or their churches.

18 posted on 07/17/2005 12:10:51 AM PDT by now you people out there
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To: now you people out there

Fantastic post. They can't influence even their followers, so want to legislate it. Which to me is a deal with the devil.


19 posted on 07/17/2005 12:40:21 AM PDT by ran15
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To: now you people out there; ran15
so they believe we must have law legislated or bibical law enfoced by our own courts.


absurd ...
should we get rid of laws against theft?
laws against assault?
laws against murder?
after all there is "Biblical" reference there.

abortion is a medical/theological debate.
When does life begin?
When is murder .. murder. The law against murder is already on the books.
20 posted on 07/17/2005 6:31:09 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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