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Let's get some dates here - Plame debacle
Various, FR | 07/17/05 | Mike Darancette

Posted on 07/17/2005 12:56:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette

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To: McGavin999

It does seem strange.


41 posted on 07/17/2005 4:19:04 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: McGavin999
TWO MONTHS??????

Yep!

42 posted on 07/17/2005 4:20:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: hispanarepublicana; Timeout; bitt

here is a start, if someone wants to modify it just add your name also, or remove mine mine... thanks. :D
43 posted on 07/17/2005 4:20:49 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: McGavin999

Can you source her being outed by Aldrich Ames? I can't find anything except the Kristoff piece and that is vague. Marrying Wilson, diplomats are after all overt agents, may have been enough to put her on the beach. Being the wife of an ambassador is a lousy cover.


44 posted on 07/17/2005 4:24:06 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: bjc
JFK & JOE WILSONhttp://www.politicsus.com/011304cjk.htm ^ Posted on 07/17/2005 5:56:30 PM CDT by stocksthatgoup
January 13, 2003 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEDate: January 13, 2003 Contact: Mark KornblauPhone: 603-622-9100 David DiMartino202-548-6877
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generals, National Security Leaders Campaign for John Kerry This Week in New Hampshire Terrorism Experts, Military Leaders, Diplomats, Veterans Tout Kerry MANCHESTER, NH –John Kerry’s Presidential Campaign announced today that United States Generals, national security experts, and veterans will be campaigning throughout this week in New Hampshire for Kerry. Lt. General Claudia Kennedy (Ret.), Brigadier General Stephen Cheney (Ret.), Former Assistant Secretary of State Rand Beers, Former Ambassador Joe Wilson, Governor Jeanne Shaheen, foreign policy expert Nancy Stetson and dozens of veterans will lead a three-day campaign swing in New Hampshire, because they believe John Kerry is the best candidate to take on George Bush on national security issues.

Note date Jan 2003 on the Kerry TEAM
45 posted on 07/17/2005 4:32:06 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: stocksthatgoup

No hidden agenda by JOE WILSON


46 posted on 07/17/2005 4:32:56 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: bjc; Howlin

Let me get someone over here who has a lot of documentation on this.


47 posted on 07/17/2005 4:43:45 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Echo Talon

that's hilarious!!! good work!!


48 posted on 07/17/2005 4:44:39 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


49 posted on 07/17/2005 4:52:12 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Add in the Jan 13 Kerry campaign memo that shows Wilson as being part of the Kerry campaign.


50 posted on 07/17/2005 5:29:01 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: hispanarepublicana; bitt; pookie18

51 posted on 07/17/2005 5:42:53 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Jan 2003 date appears to have been a typo. This is corrected in later posts in many threads.


52 posted on 07/17/2005 5:51:38 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Echo Talon

LOL!

Yeah, baby!


53 posted on 07/17/2005 5:53:57 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Congressman Billybob; Howlin
Add in the Jan 13 Kerry campaign memo that shows Wilson as being part of the Kerry campaign.

Sorry my earlier post does reference a document from the Kerry campaign that refers to Jan 13 2003, but from things on it it seems like it is a typo, and should be 2004.

54 posted on 07/17/2005 5:54:11 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: McGavin999; Mo1; Grampa Dave

I'll be back in a bit; we're had a family emergency tonight.


55 posted on 07/17/2005 6:21:12 PM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: FReethesheeples
Something else doesn't add up.

From the Vanity Fair article:

[approximately 1995] After only one year in the job Wilson decided to retire and go into the private sector because "we wanted to have kids, and felt that it had become very difficult to live off two government salaries."
The implication being that they had no extra money.

Now, compare that to VDH's testimony:

[approx. 2003 or 2004] Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
Where did the sudden riches come from?
56 posted on 07/17/2005 6:34:26 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Howlin

Don't alarm us like that!
I hope everything is OK.


57 posted on 07/17/2005 6:35:32 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout
In 1988, Wilson found himself in Baghdad as the number two to Ambassador April Glaspie...

OMG. Remember the famous April Glaspie memo that basically provoked Gulf War I? Could that have Wilson's fingerprints?

58 posted on 07/17/2005 7:33:27 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: FReethesheeples

Thank God for NewsMax!

ABC News Links Bin Laden and Saddam

http://archives.warroom.com/abcnews-1999.mp3

Here's a video of the ABC News report:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/rm/cyber/2004/binladen061704/segment1.ram


59 posted on 07/17/2005 7:40:08 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: M. Thatcher; Pukin Dog

'In 1988, Wilson found himself in Baghdad as the number two to Ambassador April Glaspie...
OMG. Remember the famous April Glaspie memo that basically provoked Gulf War I? Could that have Wilson's fingerprints?'


60 posted on 07/17/2005 7:41:59 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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