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Outing Plame may not have been illegal. What is the prosecutor hunting? (the bigger picture!)
POST GAZETTE.COM ^ | JULY 17, 2005 | JACK KELLY

Posted on 07/17/2005 8:37:17 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Why is special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald pursuing so zealously the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, since it is all but impossible to prove that the leaker or leakers committed a crime?

So why is Fitzgerald acting like Inspector Javert in "Les Miserables"? The answer may lie in a sentence Walter Pincus of The Washington Post wrote on June 12, 2003.

President Bush mentioned the British findings in his State of the Union address in January 2003. In his leaks to Pincus, and earlier to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, Wilson claimed Bush knew this was false. The key sentence in Pincus' story is this:

"Among the envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because 'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong,' the former U.S. government official said."

Wilson outed himself in an op-ed in the New York Times on July 6, 2003, "What I Didn't Find in Africa," which described his CIA-sponsored trip to Niger in 2002. On July 14, 2003, columnist Robert Novak wondered why Wilson, who had no intelligence background and strong anti-Bush views, had been selected for the Niger mission. "Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report," he wrote. That set off the Plame name game.

Maybe Fitzgerald is investigating a different crime.

What if someone in the CIA was leaking classified information to influence the 2004 election? Uncovering a crime like that would be worthy of Inspector Javert's doggedness.

I suspect the biggest shoe in this case has yet to drop, and liberal journalists won't be happy when it does.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agent; cia; cialeak; cialeaks; iraq; karlrove; niger; nuclear; patrickfitzgerald; program; prosecutor; robertnovak; saddamhussein; scandal; uranium; valerieplame
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To: TheBlueMax; Wolfstar; MJY1288
RE: Patrick Fitzgerald

My husband tells me he was the Democrat hired by the Democrats on the 9/11 commission to make sure their investigation was limited to things that wouldn't harm the Clinton adminstrations legacy.

He made sure that 1993 WTC bombing information was culled from the files that came to the committee, for instance.

I think he's a party loyalist who is trying to nail the Bush administration however he can.

41 posted on 07/17/2005 9:41:35 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: CHARLITE

"although in this 3 ring circus, ole Cooper is "odd man out."

Could be. Could it also be that he was directly or indirectly involved via his wifey (Mandy Grunwald) who is an employee of Hill? Maybe Joe and Valerie are smarter than they look, but it wouldn't surprise me if they had a coach or 2 in all of this (yes, I know, VRWC). We've always heard follow the money, and that may make sense here, but it can only be tracked up to a Swiss bank account.


42 posted on 07/17/2005 9:41:40 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: adam_az

I have a question: the area that Plame worked in, could that have been the area where the "bad information" from the CIA was coming from?


43 posted on 07/17/2005 9:42:02 PM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: liberallarry

bump for later


44 posted on 07/17/2005 9:42:56 PM PDT by centexan (God bless our troops)
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To: marron
Here is from a earlier thread:

Prosecute Plame: More Treachery in the War at Home

In post #187 by Alia this excerpt from Senate Committee hearings was quoted:

Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the ‘dates were wrong and the names were wrong’ when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports,” the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have “misspoken” to reporters. The documents—purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq—were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.

It seems to me that Jack Kelly may be on to something....

Big mistake....

45 posted on 07/17/2005 9:43:21 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: liberallarry
There's the REAL scandal.

Please, please, please! I hope Fitzgerald is going all the way back to the Niger trip, it's players, and it's purpose. Oh please!

46 posted on 07/17/2005 9:45:40 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: FReethesheeples

"It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press."

Might have been or it might have even been Valerie - she was a WMD specialist in the CIA and Judith was the WMD specilist in the MSM - I would suspect that they had more than 1 conversation over the years.


47 posted on 07/17/2005 9:45:53 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: marron
When will the CIA clean house?
48 posted on 07/17/2005 9:46:24 PM PDT by Chgogal
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To: CHARLITE
"Among the envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because 'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong,' the former U.S. government official said."
49 posted on 07/17/2005 9:47:49 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
I wanna write a history book about the 2004 campaign.

I'm going to call it, "The Tale of Two Forged Documents" or how the Democrat party put the final nail in it's coffin.

50 posted on 07/17/2005 9:50:22 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: patriciaruth
I think he's a party loyalist who is trying to nail the Bush administration however he can.

It wouldn't surprise me. However, while my memory may be incorrect, I don't think Patrick Fitzgerald could have been an attorney working for the 9/11 commission. I think the commission's term and Fitzgerald's term as special prosecutor on the Plame matter overlap.

51 posted on 07/17/2005 9:51:04 PM PDT by Wolfstar (The Dim Party and its fellow leftist travelers want nothing less than the fall of the United States.)
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To: Howlin

Excellent catch Howlin !!!


52 posted on 07/17/2005 9:51:24 PM PDT by UglyinLA (WideGlide... Thats too funny.)
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To: CHARLITE

bttt


53 posted on 07/17/2005 9:51:50 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ScaniaBoy
Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the ‘dates were wrong and the names were wrong’ when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports,” the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have “misspoken” to reporters. The documents—purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq—were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
54 posted on 07/17/2005 9:51:52 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

bttt


55 posted on 07/17/2005 9:53:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CHARLITE
Brilliant! Great post!

I don't think we'll ever really know the full extent of all this, but this line of thought sure looks promising.

56 posted on 07/17/2005 9:53:34 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: kcvl

Pretty lame excuse, ain't it?

And what else did he misspeak about??


57 posted on 07/17/2005 9:54:40 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: UglyinLA
While there was no dispute with the underlying facts, my Democrat colleagues refused to allow the following conclusions to appear in the report:

That's interesting, isn't it?

DNC members of the committee: Rockefeller; Levin; Wyden; Feinstein; Bayh; Mikulski; Corzine

58 posted on 07/17/2005 9:55:13 PM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: Graymatter

Lord God let this be so.


59 posted on 07/17/2005 9:55:33 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: kcvl
I love this from Pat Roberts' press release:

In an interview with Committee staff, Mr. Wilson was asked how he knew some of the things he was stating publicly with such confidence. On at least two occasions he admitted that he had no direct knowledge to support some of his claims and that he was drawing on either unrelated past experiences or no information at all. For example, when asked how he “knew” that the Intelligence Community had rejected the possibility of a Niger-Iraq uranium deal, as he wrote in his book, he told Committee staff that his assertion may have involved “a little literary flair.”

60 posted on 07/17/2005 9:57:00 PM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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