Posted on 07/20/2005 6:57:42 AM PDT by ex-Texan
It was only last year that the Bank of America Center, long the dominant building in San Francisco's financial district, was sold to a group of New York investors for an impressive $825 million.
Now the 52-story reddish-brown granite tower is said to be going on the market again. This time, the sellers are hoping that the price will reach as high as $1.25 billion.
In recent weeks, the feverish residential market has spurred incessant talk about the prospect of a housing bubble. But prices for commercial real estate have also been going through the roof, despite high office-vacancy rates and lackluster job growth.
Some investors think that commercial real estate is enveloped in a bubble of its own.
Others wonder if there could be a return to the early 1990s, when huge fortunes were lost as many landlords were forced to turn over the keys to their buildings to their lenders.
For several years, prices for office buildings have continued to rise steadily, even though vacancies in many cities have remained high.
From January through May, more than $32.4 billion worth of office properties valued at $5 million or more changed hands, up 41 percent from 2004, according to Real Capital Analytics, a New York research company. The average deal size increased 22 percent, to $37 million, the company said.
Some sophisticated investors are sending strong signals that prices cannot rise much higher.
Calpers, the nation's largest pension fund; Equity Office Properties, the giant real estate investment trust; and private landlords such as the Shorenstein family of San Francisco are among big sellers that have been shedding billions of dollars worth of office and retail property in recent months.
Jim Titus, managing director of Realpoint, the research arm of GMAC Institutional Advisors, observes that today's prices are reminiscent of the late 1980s, when Japanese investors overpaid for trophy buildings and went on to suffer huge losses. "I sort of see a similar situation potentially brewing," Titus said.
Commercial real estate is awash with capital, and many buyers are accepting initial returns of 5 percent or even less because they have few investment alternatives.
Once interest rates rise and investors can buy 10-year Treasury bills with a 5 percent yield, real estate will seem less attractive, Titus said. "That can have a real impact on valuations in the marketplace."
Caution to speculators
Lloyd Lynford, president of Reis, a New York research firm, agreed that some buyers are overpaying on the assumption that empty space will fill up and rental income will improve. But the leasing market has been highly volatile in recent years, reflecting the zigzag pattern of job growth, Lynford said.
Nationally, the average office vacancy rate dropped half a percentage point from the first quarter this year to the end of June, from 15.9 percent to 15.4 percent, but in many cases, Lynford said, "the cash flow has been deteriorating," because rents are not improving.
Ratings agencies, which evaluate loans that have been resold as securities, have also been warning that lenders are competing so fiercely to win new business that many are taking bigger risks.
The volume of outstanding commercial mortgages has been growing and the total is now equivalent to 14.4 percent of gross domestic product, a level not seen since the days before the real estate crash of the early 1990s, according to Moody's Investors Service. As with residential real estate, the proportion of interest-only loans has risen sharply.
But other real estate specialists say there is no cause for alarm, especially if interest rates rise only gradually.
Some say that the rich prices that office buildings are commanding still fall below the cost of replacing them.
The Reckson Associates Realty said this month that it had agreed to pay $240 million for EAB Plaza, an office complex in Uniondale, N.Y., on Long Island. As recently as September 2003, EAB Plaza traded for $200 million, but Reckson said its purchase price still represented a 20 percent discount over the replacement cost.
Others find comfort in the slowing of the development pipeline in most markets. One exception is Dallas, where a building binge is under way near downtown, even though the city's office vacancy rate is 24.6 percent, Lynford said.
Also cautioning against talk of a bubble is Green Street Advisors, a research company that specializes in REITs.
Green Street calculates that the value of property owned by real estate investment trusts has risen 27 percent since 2000, while home prices have shot up 51 percent. This suggests, the company said in a recent report, that "homes have a much worse case of bubblitis than commercial real estate."
Others draw a sharp distinction between the real estate market of today and 15 years ago.
Dale Anne Reiss, who directs the real estate practice at Ernst & Young, said that in the past, a landlord defaulting on a mortgage was often required to dispose of all other properties to pay off the lender, "creating a huge domino effect." Such recourse loans are rare today.
New sources of loans
Another difference is that 15 years ago, most financing came from banks and savings and loans.
When rental income fell below mortgage payments, many landlords were unable to refinance their mortgages.
Today, by contrast, real estate financing has become highly complex, with many types of lenders assuming different levels of risk. "There were much fewer choices 15 years ago than you have today," said Sam Zell, the chairman of Equity Office Properties.
His company has sold $1.6 billion worth of office buildings this year, but it has also announced $860 million worth of acquisitions since January, including plans to buy the Verizon building at 42nd Street and Avenue of the Americas in New York for $505 million.
"This is a great opportunity to assess what markets you want to be in and what you don't," Zell said.
There are individual markets where things are illogical. I know of one, for example, that has had an occupancy slump for years, but the values are starting to rise as outside investors look for a place to park money they pulled out of markets with an obvious unsustainable growth rate. There seems to be a logical disconnect with these investors.
The good news is, these markets are easy to spot. If you imagine the bastions of blue state thought, look at what markets in red states have similar people, and you avoid those markets, you'll be fine.
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There are money which fly into U.S. away from political instability or economic troubles in other countries.
They usually get parked at big name cities like LA or NYC. If Chinese economy goes down, a few hundred billions of dollars could pour into U.S.. When Soviet Union collapsed, KGB funneled out $400 billion according to some reports. The same thing could happen to China on its way down. Overseas economic crises spread out over time could provide periodic injection of foreign cash into U.S. markets, especially real estate markets. They could work as a cushion which can buy time for U.S. economy.
This seems to be what is happening to U.S. Other economies fall down before U.S. does, helping U.S. economy with escaped money.
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You make an excellent point.
Is there a bubble in either residential or commercial RE markets?
Think of a "flow of funds" model. Stock returns in the US have been hovering in the 10,000 - 10,750 range. Returns overseas are flat. Bond markets offer low rates. Where do Americans and overseas investors put their money? The US real estate market.
The problem will real estate price deflation will come when 1) US equity markets rebound, 2) US long-term interest rates start rising, and 3) foreign equity markets improve. Any of these outcomes will cause a flow of funds AWAY from real estate and into other capital markets.
But until then, I can't envision a "crash."
I testified to the US Senate on the real estate market. Of course, no one listened (each Senator had their mind made up before the testimony).
There is so much mortgage fraud going on locally it is really frightening. Won't go into details now, but you can search my FR posts. You cannot believe what is happening. The court system is corrupt. People get a Notice of Foreclosure in the mail and ninety days later they are moving out of their homes. Sheriffs enforce the court orders and people are scared out of their wits. It will get even worse, very quickly.
Expect those senators to suddenly change their minds when the crisis comes just around the corner.
The same dynamic could be happening to China issue. For a long time, senators or most U.S. elites have been so indifferent to potentially disastrous problems lurking in Chinese economy, or China's political ambition propelled by Han nationalism.
However, suddenly, last spring in this year, a mood swung overnight in both political parties of U.S., business elites, and executive branch. For the first time, when Rummy trashes China, the rest seems to listen and turn their backs on China.
I don't know if this has been brewing in the backroom discussion among power and business elites for a while. However, the change of their public stance was rather abrupt to me. If you go back to the time as recent as 6 month ago, they were all still accommodating China.
For years we had no problem keeping to the plan. We started the latest search about eight months ago. We have had to put the plan on hold because the market prices have risen well past the point where rental rates can support an investment. Now we're sitting on the sidelines and waiting to see if there will be a correction both sudden and deep enough to provide opportunity.
The problem, IMHO, with the SF Market in particular? The City is pro-government, anti-capitalism. Are major investors going to want their investment properties ransacked, looted? Employees assaulted? Is it a real fear. It can be a real fear when it is clear that the police are not being backed up in re protection of private property -- by City Hall Bureacrats.
Years back, under Mayor D-Willie Brown (aided by Amos Brown et al), SF began "seizing" PG&E substations under the guise of "eminent domain". What else might be seized via "eminent domain in SF". Could be a seller's market, if the right friends can be had in City "venues"...
Witnessed some amazing things in SF rusing the Low-Income Housing -- wherein D-Politocos and Pals were able (and taxpayer funded assisted) to purchase "low-income" (read: RIGHT DOWNTOWN") properties... for $1. Watched the laundering of ownership continue. Perhaps this is a San Francisco-specific bubble, some are worried about... How long can the shell game continue?
Very insightful.
The Department of Justice is investigating numerous homebuilders over fraund with regard to FHA financing. Specifically, fraudulent practices with regards to loan underwriting and appraisal.
For example, a homebuilder qualifies buyers who can't really afford the house. In addition, they build the financing into the house price. Hence, whole new-build neighborhoods are experiencing substantially higher-than-average default rates.
Shameful lending practices. And we haven't even touched "subprime" or "predatory" lending practices. We are getting more and more like Russia and China all the time!
For example, a business journal or real estate industry publication may report that "recent deals in midtown Manhattan are being signed at an average lease rate of $40 per square foot." Technically, this may be true. If you were to look at one these leases it will show a rate of $40 per square foot. But when you look at the fine print of the lease you'll find that the landlord has included all kinds of clauses and give-backs to the tenant that effectively reduce the lease rate -- sometimes substantially. If you sign a lease for $40 per square foot and the lease includes three "free" months per year for the duration of the lease, then you aren't paying $40 per square foot -- you're paying $30.
Wow, so many informed posts!
Absolutely true. Vacancy data can be incredibly misleading. For example, in one property market, a major bank moved out of the downtown leaving an entire building and numerous floors in other office building vacant. Yet, they still paid their lease payments. Hence, the empty building was reported as 0% vacancy!
And these markets have numerous incidents of "free rent" which does not appear in the vacancy data.
Finally, the accuracy of reporting has improved, but is no where near where it should. Heck, we can't even get Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to divulge any information ... and they are government sponsored enterprises! What is the chance that we can get private market entities to behave themselves!
A friend of mine was working on a data warehouse for Zell's company a couple of years back. I'm sure they have it well populated by now and are making business decisions from the data. ;-)
Russia has a very fragmented mortgage market primarily because 1) its banking system isn't where it should be and 2) property rights issues have not been totally resolved. They are trying, but there are too many negative forces at work to allow it to grow to a reasonable size.
Russia has a very fragmented mortgage market primarily because 1) its banking system isn't where it should be and 2) property rights issues have not been totally resolved. They are trying, but there are too many negative forces at work to allow it to grow to a reasonable size.
So, while they do have some mortgages (which will not appeal to those who need them most, of course), it is unclear whether this market will succeed.
Oh, you already did that. Never mind.
Now the 52-story reddish-brown granite tower is said to be going on the market again. This time, the sellers are hoping that the price will reach as high as $1.25 billion.
The B of A building (which I am looking at right now out my office window) hasn't been full since B of A was bought and Robertson Stephens ceased to exist...not sure why the 50% price premium in one year other than mad speculation.
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