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To: newgeezer
"Employers should be able to hire and fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all."

Sorry, newgeezer, you are losing your argument in this thread.
As for your argument that employees should band together to demand an unfair employer change their ways, one could make the argument we are doing just that when we elect certain people to represent us in government, with the understanding that they will enact certain laws to ensure employers will act in a fair and responsible way to their employees, and not subject them to unfair labor practices. Our government is a representative government, 'of the people, by the people, and for the people'.
53 posted on 07/20/2005 11:14:54 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
one could make the argument we are doing just that when we elect certain people to represent us in government, with the understanding that they will enact certain laws to ensure employers will act in a fair and responsible way to their employees, and not subject them to unfair labor practices.

Sure, and while we're at it, we could cite the Commerce Clause to justify it.

55 posted on 07/20/2005 11:17:17 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: rawhide

A key concept is good faith dealing. If I deal in good faith with my customers, suppliers and employees (themselves, de facto suppliers) then I can expect to ideally be unencumbered by excessive regulations. Have levels of regulation gone overboard? Definitely! But, should I, as argued by newgeezer, as an employer, have the "freedom" to use my hiring and firing authority to craft, in microcosm, a liberal utopia that is not even a real microcosm of the lion's share of society? It would seem that doing so violates the notion of good faith, therefore inviting targetted interference by political pressure groups, government or both. Allstate deserve to be hammered, irrespective of the letter of the law, due to their bad faith dealing in this case.


62 posted on 07/20/2005 11:38:17 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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